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Which is the better option + spinning a vm is possible and ltsc the only issue is I have to repirte a windows license for ltsc(and according to Microsoft ltsc was mostly designed for embedded systems) thanks for any help and I decided to post it on the linux community bcs I couldn't find a suitable place to post it and this is related to linux but man I love linux tho and if I go with the jumpship method I have to sadly leave some games behind like roblox (it's fine due to some moderation issues bad games etc etc but ngl its a fun game ik sober exists but i kinda dont wanna use a android emulator to play roblox i could use it since its our only option for linux and also i need to wait some time for my affinity subscription to end orrrr i try running it on bottles/wine again)

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 minutes ago

As long as you have your windows license key you can change your mind later so really you can do whatever. I'd recommend giving 100% linux a try if that seems fun. Obviously you're gonna want to back up any interesting files that you have on windows either way.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 40 minutes ago (1 children)

My experience : jump ships. Dual-boot is unpractical. I dual-booted my PC at first, but that makes you remain on what's comfortable, and that's windows. Swallow the hard pill and leave windows behind. If you're already working mostly with OSS software (surf with Firefox, use LibreOffice, etc) than it's not that hard.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 37 minutes ago* (last edited 27 minutes ago)

I used to use softwares like libreoffice,firefox and photopea when i was on windows anyways so yh.
I decided i want affinity got the 6 month trial found out its quite useless but not bad, photopeas can do 90% of it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 41 minutes ago (1 children)

Eh, you've already dual booted and "used linux more and more," unless you can think of a reason why you'd really need windows, and since you're already comfortable with linux, you might as well switch fully if you think you're ready.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 38 minutes ago

i am gonna be fully ready on april 2025 ngl

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Depends on your needs. If you use any proprietary production tools like Photoshop, you may still need to keep Windows on the side. As for myself, unless the user really gets used to Linux, gains some experience, I do not advise to switch to Linux fully. I've seen so many people who did this and returned back to Windows.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

i am getting rid of softawre that do not work on linux soon, and most of the apps and games i use work on linux.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

If you have a laptop and a desktop put it on the laptop fully rather than dual boot

Until proton came out I kept dual booting but I always ended up booting into windows because I didn't know how to do x on Linux

When I just wiped windows completely and put it on my laptop I distro hopped for a bit but never went back

Ended up switching my PC over too after about 6 months and I no longer own any windows machines, nor feel the need to besides the odd firmware upgrade of a peripheral or something

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I'd say dual boot. Jumping ship from windows to linux without it is very hard, especially if you enjoy playing a windows-only game or rely on windows-only software. A virtual machine can work for some basic software, but you need to do GPU passt trough to the VM to be able to game at all, which is a... let's just say not insignificant amount of messing around and configuring stuff.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I can quit all the windows software it's not hard for me

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

I'd still recommend dual booting, just in case...

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

hm around 24 people recommend to fully delete windows, 8 recommend dualbooting, yeah i counted it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

That’s not a good sample though. This place will shill Linux all day long and are biased in that direction.

I am contemplating the same, but the amount of time I’ll have to put into figure out if I can use my 4060TI with it, or what games I’ll be able to play etc and configure it how I want it is not a small amount of time or research.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Dual boot and give it a shot.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

Yeah I did I was using linux more and more

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Something I did that helped make the jump was buying a separate drive to put linux on and removing my windows drive. It makes the act of switching back to windows take more effort, but didn't remove the possibility altogether.

I also got an enclosure for my M.2 and can use the windows drive as a super fast thumb drive and use that to transfer the files from the windows drive that I care to keep on linux. (none of it is critical, not worth doing proper back ups)

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

This is a great middle ground suggestion

[–] [email protected] 15 points 14 hours ago

Why wait? Dual boot, get cozy, still have the ability to go back to Windows if needed, find alternative apps, and soon enough, you won't need the Windows partition :) Worked for my partner, my brother, and myself

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

All advice here seems to focus on linux, but I'd say rip that bandaid off first. Go cold turkey on roblox. That shit is the worst cancer to come out of something that was fun initially.

Not in four months to a year. Yesterday. Learn to control your impulses first and the rest will fall into place, whichever way you go.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

It's also bcs of affinity btw idk why i didn't mention it

[–] [email protected] 9 points 15 hours ago

Start using it now in a VM. Linux has gotten very user friendly over the years but it's still a completely different system with different design philosophies. Ease into it now and test the water with different distros

[–] [email protected] 25 points 19 hours ago (4 children)

When I left for Linux I had to give up League of Legends. I sucked it up, & after a month, I was fine without it & it was better since I knew it wouldn’t be worth the effort even trying to install it on Linux.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

I am happy Arcane is good tho. Knowing the characters makes it a more fun & engaging. They built some good art & lore.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago

Arcane is a fantastic series, eagerly awaiting the next season. Even my sister is into it (and as far as I know she has no clue what League of Legends is)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 14 hours ago

You'll never be wrong by making it dual boot - if you won't need Windows, hooray, but if you will - it's still there, always has been.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Dualboot definitely, don't belive anything other than that, taking slow the only good way

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago (2 children)

should I completely jumpship to linux when windows 10 ends support

Nah, there's no need to wait.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 15 hours ago

I jump shipped to arch when I first started out. But I had experience with Linux vms for school already

[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Jump the ship, I did 6 years ago, before even proton was a thing when games worked witha lot of thinkering.

Nowdays you habe so many great games working you won't mind a couple of games not working because of all the other playable games.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 20 hours ago (3 children)

I would almost recommend GPU passthrough if you have a dual GPU system and can figure it out. It definitely takes a bit of tinkering, but I like the results: I now have both a Windows 10 (maybe will become 11, maybe 11 LTSC) and a Hackintosh VM. It's not as good if you only have one graphics card, through. If you're up for it, I used this tutorial. If it's an AMD card, though, make sure to check my issue for any steps relating to that.

As for dual boot, get a second drive if you can. I find it helps me avoid a lot of the misery, although I very rarely actually boot up Windows anymore - just a VM if I really have to (which I do for MATLAB because my university is ridiculous and I figure if I'm going to use an evil programming language, I might as well use it in an isolated, evil environment).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I'm a fan of dual booting AND using a passthrough VM. It's easiest to set up if your machine has two NVMe slots and you put each OS on its own drive. This way you can pass the Windows NVMe through to the VM directly.

The advantage of this configuration is that you get the convenience of not needing to reboot to run some Windows specific software, but if you need to run software that doesn't play nice with virtualization (maybe a program has too large a performance hit with virtualization, or software you want to run doesn't support virtualized systems, like some anticheat-enabled games), you can always reboot to your same Windows installation directly.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I can see that. I nuked my Windows partition years ago, though. Honestly, if I find a software is jerk enough to block virtualization, I don't find it worth using.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Fair enough! I think it's more common for games to do that, but sometimes I had trouble with software on Windows that used virtualization elements themself. I probably just didn't properly configure HyperV settings, but I know nested virtualization can be tricky.

For me it's also because I'm on a laptop, and my Windows VM relies on me passing through an external GPU over TB3 but my laptops' dedicated GPU has no connection to a display, so it would be tricky to try and do GPU passthrough on the VM if I were on the go. I like being able to boot Windows on the go to edit photos in Lightroom, for example, but otherwise I'd prefer to run the Linux host and use the Windows VM only as needed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Yeh, I think it has to do with some CPU topology crap. I have it working pretty well, luckily - I once had an old Virtualbox VM with MacOS that I needed, and I was able to boot it in my Windows VM.

With Lightroom, you're right on that. Honestly, the state of FOSS image editors is a bit ridiculous, especially considering how good FOSS vector editors like Inkscape are these days compared to their commercial, proprietary counterparts.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Yeah there's a good chance you're right. Maybe something to do with memory management as well.

Long term I'll probably end up switching back to Darktable. I used it before and honestly it is quite good, but I currently have a free license for CC from my university and the AI denoise features in LR are pretty nice compared to the classical profiled denoise from Darktable. It does also help that the drivers for my SD card reader are less finicky on Windows so it's easier for me to quickly copy over images from my camera on there instead of Linux. Hopefully that also gets better over time!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Interesting, I’ve never heard of softwares that don’t support virtualized systems, I mean how would they… know?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

I don't know exactly, but it's apparently a thing. Some game anti-cheat software such as Easy Anti-Cheat will give you an error message saying something along the lines of "Virtual machines are not supported." Some are easy to bypass by just tweaking your VM config, others not so much.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

In some cases they look for generic virtual hw devices, in other cases things like available cpu flags or BIOS version.
There are ways to hide it though:
https://github.com/zhaodice/qemu-anti-detection
https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/how-do-i-hide-the-fact-to-windows-that-it-runs-in-a-vm.115627/

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 22 hours ago (13 children)

You should set up dual boot now so you don’t get surprised by differences when support ends and you feel the need to switch to an ltsc sku or use Linux.

Don’t wait, prepare!

Keep a hold of windows for a little while so that if something critical comes up that you can’t figure out you have a fallback.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

Why wait? There's no need for Windows, unless you're running some super-specialized app. The new versions of Windows already have telemetry and privacy issues, so why just go with minimal security options that MS is selling you? You can do almost everything in Linux just as well, if not better, than Windows does at this point. Start with Linux Mint, which is the most Windows-y distribution and you should be golden.

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