In reality, the average person doesn't care and doesn't follow news about Elon.
this post was submitted on 15 Oct 2024
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Techbros do techbro things and assume the loudest voice in the room is the leader. the blind leading the blind.
Friend ran afoul of the Tesla's Drive-By-Wire. She had her car on automatic drive and it was speeding towards the bumper of another vehicle. She slammed on the brakes, but because the system has to switch from automatic to manual, the brakes didn't engage for a critical second. So she ended up jamming her car into the rear end of the vehicle in front of her, and her system recorded the event as "human error", because she was at the wheel when the collision occurred.
Now she's out several grand in repairs that her insurance won't cover, because she failed to let Tesla's autodrive system take responsibility for the collusion by trying to prevent it.
Stories like this are what make me incredibly hesitant to buy a Tesla.
Your friend lied to you.
I hate Tesla as much as the next guy but this sounds very odd.
It's hard to believe that it's possible to sell a car in 2024 that doesn't apply the brakes when you press your foot on the brakes.
Because it's probably bullshit. Elon Musk is a colossal problem, so people feel justified in whatever lies come to mind.
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The Cybertruck has steer by wire BUT NOT BRAKE BY WIRE. No other Tesla has any such system. The brakes in all Teslas are traditional.
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The question of who pays when you have an accident with autopilot has basically been settled in court: the normal rules of fault apply. If autopilot is at fault, then you're at fault. If you're in control, and you're at fault, then you're at fault.
The idea that an insurance company says, "Oh, we won't cover it because you deactivated autopilot" is outright silly. Ignore the autopilot thing for a second. What happens when you rear-end someone? Your insurance covers it based on your coverage, and your premiums probably go up significantly.
The driver was supposed to be in control, of a vehicle with traditional brakes, and hit a car. If they have coverage, it should be handled just as if autopilot weren't involved at all unless they can prove that Tesla is at fault.
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As other commenters have said, this is just not how the system works. Something was misunderstood or some context was probably lost somewhere. I have driven a new-ish 2021 Model 3 as a daily, and there are basically 2 modes of auto driving. One is autopilot, which is very similar to adaptive cruise control with lane-keep assist in other cars. Then there's full self-driving, which is supposed to be you entering a destination and your car will take you there with minimal interference. You also need to pay out the wazoo for that FSD functionality. Tesla needs you to be vigilant in both cases, and you're responsible for a crash in both cases. Now onto the brakes, in either system, when you press the brakes, the car immediately applies brakes. On occasion, it's taken the automated driving system a second to shut off when I apply the brakes, but I have always felt the brakes immediately kick in. Teslas at the moment do not have brake-by-wire. They have throttle-by-wire (duh, EVs), and steer-by-wire on some of the more recent higher end models. All of them have a hydraulic braking system where your foot on the pedal is immediately converted to braking pressure. Your friend is mistaken, and the crash is their responsibility for not maintaining vigilance. Afaik, very few companies are at self-driving tier 3, which is where the company would be responsible for a crash. Tesla is not there yet.
As other commenters have said, this is just not how the system works.
I've got the dashcam footage and I know the driver. She can tell me when she hit the brakes, and she says she had the peddle as far down as it would go. The car didn't begin decelerating in the same way an analog breaking system would have. That cost her a critical second and resulted in her rear-ending the vehicle in front of her.
All of them have a hydraulic braking system where your foot on the pedal is immediately converted to braking pressure.
Then maybe the breaks were bad. Idk. But she had plenty of lead time (presumably thanks to the super-advanced cruise control or whatever you want to call it) at the beginning of the video. The vehicle simply didn't stop in time.
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It's interesting that two of his proposed three options are "hate" or "like." It seems like most people would have said "hate" or "love."
Apparently he has sufficient self-reflection that he knows he'll never be loved.
before i get sued by Elon for not buying Tesla, just wanted to say i was never a potential buyer
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He went from "genius" to "dumbass" when he announced his hyperloop a decade ago, and finally to "someone I have perfect hatred for" in less than a few months given his recent conduct. I don't want his cars, I don't want his robots, I don't want to see his face ever again. He's a piece of shit. If he died, I'd be in line to piss on his grave.
Hyperloop was just a gambit to kill the train projects in california.
Like that needed help doing.
I'd be in line to shit on his grave.
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I do want the best car. I am rejecting Tesla as an option mostly on that basis. But it also feels nice to avoid directly giving money to Trickle-Down Elmo.
Trickle-Down Elmo
Lol, that's a good one
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The best car
Teslas aren't even the best electric car. On top of that I would 100% want a Rivian over a cybertruck. Yeah goofy headlights... but better then a wholeass goofy body.
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My pillow car!
I'd buy an XPeng or a BYD
Why? They are only marginally better than a Tesla. And the software of the dashboard is designed for Chinese people who like UX and UI that look like the Aliexpress or Taobao website. Really unintuitive. Not to mention the post sales service is about as bad as the post sales service on your Huawei phone. I’d rather buy a KIA.
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That and because they have the build quality of a 1980s Yugo but the price tag of a brand new Jaguar.
My Tesla desire journey has gone from feeling like I was chasing a magical unicorn from the future to not wanting to go anywhere near it. I am planning on buying a new car in the next couple of years and I'd love it to be an EV with good range and short charging times but I don't think it will be a Tesla now.
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The company became popular because of the popularity of its founder, and will die alongside his reputation.
I'm no Tesla historian, but wasn't it already on the way up before Musk got involved?
It tends to be how he makes all his money, tbh. Spot a company on the rise, buy it, profit.
Twitter is an exception. He's bought that just for propaganda because he can't bear the idea of people not paying attention to him.
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I'm a person that would 100% buy a Tesla if it wasn't for him.
Politics aside, if Musk wasn't in charge of Tesla, Tesla would make better cars.
Absolutely. Because Tesla would be focused on staying ahead of the competition instead of making a useless truck, among other things.
(And by "useless truck" I could mean that mobile dumpster or his big rig jokes.)
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If I was going to buy an electric car, I'd get a Nissan Leaf if I didn't have a lot of money, but if I did have a lot of money, maybe I'd buy an electric BMW. They look pretty nice.
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