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[-] jack@hexbear.net 98 points 2 years ago

Hopefully this is a path to the much-needed relief from the blockade that's strangling Cuba

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 96 points 2 years ago

Indeed, one of the rules of BRICS is that countries cannot sanction one another. This would open Cuba to unfettered trade with the biggest economic bloc in the world.

[-] DefinitelyNotAPhone@hexbear.net 86 points 2 years ago

The actual mechanisms of the Cuban blockade are that any ship/shipping company that trades with Cuba is banned from American ports for the next 6 months. If BRICS is openly inviting Cuba in, that means that a meaningful chunk of the economic bloc's logistics companies feel comfortable effectively never dealing with the US, which has massive implications for global trade going forward.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 57 points 2 years ago

Indeed, and I think this is possible because BRICS is already a bigger trading bloc than G7. It's also where most actual manufacturing happens. So, if the US continues its policy then US companies will end up in far more pain than the respective BRICS companies. Incidentally, it's the same dynamic that we currently see playing out with sanctions on Russia where most of the pain is being felt in Europe.

[-] GoodGuyWithACat@hexbear.net 41 points 2 years ago

I don't know enough about Chinese business to be sure, but theoretically they could make "The Sino-Cuba Shipping Company" that handles all direct trade with Cuba and could sideline that rule.

[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 28 points 2 years ago

Or maybe they're calling US's bluff? I doubt the US would continue the embargo and sanctions if it devastated its own economy as a result.

Regardless, this is great news and I hope Cuba gets admitted and treated as it should!

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 27 points 2 years ago

You'd think so, but US policy towards Cuba has hardly ever been rational.

[-] Abracadaniel@hexbear.net 12 points 2 years ago

that's a hell of an "if"

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[-] PKMKII@hexbear.net 61 points 2 years ago
[-] kristina@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago

when will it become thiccs

[-] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 47 points 2 years ago
[-] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago

The China one looks kind of like Boa Hancock

[-] BelieveRevolt@hexbear.net 58 points 2 years ago

Reminder that even most of international-community-1international-community-2 supports ending the embargo, it's only the US that wants to keep it going.

[-] culpritus@hexbear.net 38 points 2 years ago

also the zionist entity aka the unofficial 51st state

[-] OnlyTrueLiberal@hexbear.net 35 points 2 years ago

Are you forgetting someone? ukkkraine

Harden your heart oh Putin!

[-] BashfulBob@hexbear.net 31 points 2 years ago

Even within the US itself, the resentment aimed at Cuba is reserved nearly exclusively by Cuban ex-pats (who have been wallowing in fascist propaganda for half a century) and the state security services (who continue to resent Cuba as a gaping hole in the Caribbean security perimeter and an enormous black mark on their history).

Mainstream Americans have no real skin in the game. Cuban foreign policy doesn't crack the top ten policies most Americans care about. And the generally positive pressure around Cuba as a resort location and a luxury brand has left the average tourist-brained American envious rather than hateful.

[-] Cowbee@hexbear.net 55 points 2 years ago

The gang is coming together again meow-bounce

[-] BobDole@hexbear.net 44 points 2 years ago

Cuba getting BRICSed up!

[-] TrippyFocus@lemmy.ml 44 points 2 years ago

Great to see! Finally some light at the end of the tunnel of suffering caused by the blockade.

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 43 points 2 years ago

Where did this application fall on the "just a diplomatic formality announcing something that is going to happen soon" to "the first beginning of a long and arduous process where nothing is guaranteed" scale?

Is this Sweden wanting to join NATO or Ukraine wanting to join NATO?

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 27 points 2 years ago

Nah, I think this will have tangible consequences of opening up trade for Cuba.

[-] tripartitegraph@hexbear.net 38 points 2 years ago

let out an involuntary "oh hell yeah" Really hope this can help to ease some of the pressure from the US's boot on their neck, and excited for the longer-term consequences this could have

[-] LeZero@hexbear.net 34 points 2 years ago

Would China let them in and what consequences would this have on their trade with the US if they do?

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 37 points 2 years ago

The US is already in a trade war with China that's only escalating. The most immediate impact would be that the US could block Chinese companies trading with Cuba from access to their market.

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[-] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 30 points 2 years ago

Yoooo that's awesome!

[-] JoeByeThen@hexbear.net 29 points 2 years ago
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[-] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 24 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I want to be optimistic about this but its quite improbable that China is willing to die on the Cuban hill out of nowhere for little gain when they're currently giving up on the arguably far more important(materially if not ideologically important) Russian hill e.g they're letting US sanctions on Chinese banks affect trade with Russia.

We'll see but I smell they'll do something like honorary member or some shit and give marginal diplomatic or whatever benefits, maybe disguise it as foreign aid or something.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 33 points 2 years ago

The reality is that the US is already in an open trade war with China, and it's only going to escalate. Doing trade with Cuba is gonna be no different than doing trade with Russia from China's perspective. Chinese trade with Russia has exploded since the war started.

[-] DragonBallZinn@hexbear.net 23 points 2 years ago

Oh yeah, it's all coming together.

[-] blobjim@hexbear.net 17 points 2 years ago

It's not gonna make any difference but it looks cool.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 49 points 2 years ago

I think it will make a difference because BRICS nations cannot sanction one another, and that means Cuba will gain access to a huge market that the US has no control over.

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

I still don't understand BRICS from the perspective that India is a major part of it, who is a major US ally.

[-] yogthos@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 2 years ago

The relationship between India and the US has been pretty rocky since the war in Ukraine started actually. India sees itself as a sovereign power, and the US is not capable of treating other nations as equals. My expectation is that India will continue refocusing on the BRICS and the relations with the US will likely continue to cool going forward.

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