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[–] [email protected] 126 points 2 months ago (5 children)

People will say "what about Gaza?" when it comes to Kamala. It blows my fucking mind that they think Trump or some fake third party vote will do anything.

Trump cares about Trump and how much you will suck him off.

This election is between two selections. Trump and Harris..Full Stop!

[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Most of those people are either secret Trump supporters, have foreign interests, or are so brainwashed that arguing with them is pointless. They only use Gaza as a tool, if they actually cared they'd vote for the only candidate who can be swayed on the issue

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Let's take this through to worse case for both sides.

Harris doesn't intervene in a foreign conflict.

Trump becomes Emperor of USA (would that even be their name), women are slaves, anyone not white and male is threatened with violence, democracy dies, USA become an authoritarian, racist, violent oligarchy, the world burns through climate change and conflict.... and Trump doesn't intervene in the same conflict.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 months ago (2 children)

...and Trump doesn't intervene in the same conflict.

Or intervenes more... to help the genocide proceed faster.

BTW, he'd also hand Ukraine to Russia so that's another genocide right there.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Telling racist lies that Haitian people are eating pet cats is a Blood Libel prelude to domestic pogroms.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

And Taiwan to China. What will happen with Phillipines?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

That's actually one of the few I think the turdsicle won't do. He has it in his head that China is oooooh the enemy! Maybe they refuse to bribe him with some kind words like papa putin did.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago

Trump will definitely intervene and bomb the shit out of Gaza, Lebanon, and Iran. This is the guy who took the most insane extreme option and killed that Iranian general.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm not sure how "tens of billions of dollars of military aid" counts as not intervening in a foreign conflict.

It is a bit galling to be told endlessly that we must shut up and choose when the choice is "genocide or more genocide", even when the reason Harris is on the top of the ballot at all is as a result of speaking up about the issues with Biden. I'm not all that comfortable merely accepting that, to escape the chopping block myself, I must remain silent about my family members. I'm sorry that Harris is so tied to Israel's expansionist agenda that my inability to stomach rampant slaughter is threatening her and the Democratic party's chances against Trump and the Republican party, but I can't let some tens of thousands of killing go.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

He also will let Israel go 10x harder on Gaza. Made up issue by Russian troll farms

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

For anyone thinking of refusing to vote for Harris over Gaza: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_peace_plan

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 months ago

It's the same playbook every time:

https://theconversation.com/i-investigated-millions-of-tweets-from-the-kremlins-troll-factory-and-discovered-classic-propaganda-techniques-reimagined-for-the-social-media-age-237712

It's a propaganda technique using repetition to foster familiarity, to simulate that there is a large-ish part of the population that thinks that way.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 months ago
[–] [email protected] 113 points 2 months ago

Every accusation is admission

[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

“The firefighters. They all came to me with tears streaming down their eyes. I remember Steve Buscemi was one of them. He was there,” recounted Fat Donald, “They said, ‘sir, we wanted to save them but they said they hate you. They were so mean.’ It was the biggest fire we’ve ever seen. So tremendous, nothing like it in history ever. We didn’t start these fires. It was always burning since the world’s been turning. Marciano, Liberace, Eisenhower, goodbye.“

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 months ago (2 children)

“This is Trump country — and they need your help,” DeSantis pitched Trump.

“They love me in the Panhandle,” the former president said. “I must have won 90 percent of the vote out there. Huge crowds. What do they need?” Shortly after the conversation took place, Trump signed an executive order commanding the federal government to cover “100 percent of the total eligible costs” related to the hurricane response.

Shortly before he took it upon himself to politicize the response to Helene, the former president threatened to withhold aid for natural disasters from Democratic strongholds.

“We won’t give him money to put out all his fires,” Trump said of California Governor Gavin Newson, a Democrat, in September. “And, if we don’t give him the money to put out his fires. He’s got problems. He’s a lousy governor.”

Seriously wtf

[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Then California should use their own money to put out the fires rather than giving it to the federal government. We give more than we get.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago

Logic is sound

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago

This is sickening.

There might be the occasional lone MAGA supporter living a closeted life in these areas. So in theory he's willing to burn his own supporters to get .. I'm not even sure what.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Worst person alive on the planet? That’s what I’m hearing

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Definitely a contender, but only because so many enablers have given him an incredible amount of power. Otherwise, he'd be a pretty standard asshole businessman.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

I dunno mate.. Even Bezo's moved to more environmental packaging of his crap.

Whereas Trump would blame the trees for causing global warming, and offer to package his chinese junk for extra money with a trading card made out of the suit he wore when he was engaging in the insurrection

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago

Because he’s a giant piece of shit that be in prison eating slop.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 months ago (6 children)

I'll never understand how Trump cultists can read things like this and still think he is a good choice for President.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

They are kinda modern day cavemen... HoomlaLoomlaBoomla

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Have you watched a few hours of Fox? They have talking heads just blatantly lying about everything. It's insane. And these people only watch Fox, nothing else. It's the only place they get their info from.

I had to watch it for a couple days this week, and it was eye opening. It's seriously a full blown propaganda machine.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It's so fucked up when trying to talk to people that only watch their primetime peanut gallery propaganda shit storm...

I'll never forget a conversation with my dad about fox. I told him "I won't tell you not to watch Fox, watch it if you really want to, but stick to the actual journalist shows like Shepard Smith. The primetime shows are all opinion shows that just outright lie."

His response was "No, Shepard Smith is too opinionated. I prefer Hannity, he tells it like it is."

...the goddamn literal opinion show that has OPINION on the screen.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Have you ever seen the "comedy" guy? It's their version of a late night show, and holy shit. It's not only not funny at all, as in the jokes are legit not jokes, but it's incredibly mean spirited. It's craziness. The guy doesn't smile or laugh at all during the entire show. Zero expressions, except for a cold dead frown.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

I tried to search for an image to reply with so I searched "conservative humor mean image" and the like 3rd image was Gutfield lol

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

There are many many layers, conservative media and social groups and psychological barriers, that act like an immune system, all in place to prevent information like this from actually being seen or acknowledged.

No information typically makes it past the first barrier, conservative media, which simultaneously floods the information channels with anti-left messaging. If it does, their social groups are there to discount it or kill it. If the information makes it past that, their brains are trained to resolve the cognitive dissonance to reject or disbelieve it.

And that is why we're really screwed. There're things like this all the time that should be killing Trump's candidacy. The system in place to prevent that is disturbingly effective.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

Because while the concept "the cruelty is the point" doesn't apply to every person who votes republican, it applies to a whole damn lot of them. Nearly every single one of the political actions taken by republicans that we have issue with: not feeding kids at school; trying to get rid of welfare, food stamps, assistance for people with newborns; not implementing healthcare for all; state level republicans targeting cities like Houston, Tx; Montgomery, Alabama; etc.; all comes down to them not wanting 'those people' to be helped.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Lol, you think they read...

[–] [email protected] 35 points 2 months ago

None of this is surprising. It feels like we hear shit like this every single day, and yet half the country still feels like they want this clown back in office.

Propaganda is a helluva drug. Nancy Reagan would blush.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Trump does this MAGA assuming it's affecting only Democrats.

MAGA: Good. They deserve it.

Trump lies about disaster relief aid being given too slowly from the Biden administration to assumed MAGA states.

MAGA:

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago (2 children)

how dumb do you have to be to not realize that rural CA is full of MAGATs?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

I think it's more that on the national level we've come to associate CA with "Liberal" so it is seen as a whole, without consideration for nuance of specific areas.

Nuance in my politics!? Get out of here!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago

What an ass. Wow.