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Diplomats walk out on Israeli prime minister’s speech at UN to protest against devastating war on Gaza and latest attacks on Lebanon

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[–] [email protected] 208 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

He is such a fucking scumbag. Fuck him and fuck the rest of Israel.

[–] [email protected] 140 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (10 children)

Fuck the USA, and every country too chicken shit to oppose a criminally corrupt sociopath committing war crimes to delay his own imminent corruption trial and imprisonment.

[–] [email protected] 63 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Fuck the USA government, you mean. I only live here, and all I get to do is choose between the lesser of two evils every 4 years. What a nightmare.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

If you think you only get a choice once every four years, that's part of the problem. There's elections every single year, many of which you have more choice and more power over.

Maybe if people showed up to vote more than once every four years we'd actually see some effective change.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The US election system is set up for the rich and powerful to stay in charge. It's ridiculous that there's effectively only two parties, and it's ridiculous that a single person, the president, holds so much power. No accountability. Their system needs an entire overhaul, IMO:

Compulsory voting Ease of access for voting Preferential voting Lower bar for running, meaning every citizen has the opportunity to run

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The president sure gets the credit for a lot of things (the president signed this into law, the president enacted this policy) but in reality Congress makes most of that a reality.

There is also accountability... but only if the congress acts on it. Which is where that whole "vote more than once every four years" thing comes in. Congress has power... we just have not elected people who use that power responsibly.

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well yeah, obviously. If you blamed the entire population for its governments actions then every human alive is guilty.

Fuck the US government, and everyone who supports their crimes.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Looking at the protests against him in Israel I think many if not most Israelis don't want this campaign of violence. For many years I've felt sorry for all the civilians in that area, because they are trying to live their lives and extremist assholes on all sides keep killing them.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Settlers can go fuck themselves though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Absolutely. They are extremist assholes.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

The protests aren't against his policy of genocide in Palestine.

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[–] [email protected] 138 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

including scores of women and children

This always assumes that there are no civilian men. I get that men are the ones usually conscripted, but... that's always seemed weird to me.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

It makes for a more defensible argument. No sane person is going to argue that a 4 year old child is an enemy combatant. But a 20 year old male? It's easy to argue they could have been an enemy combatant and so maybe the numbers are inflated. Saying 1000 people can be interpreted as 999 enemies and only 1 civilian casualty. Saying 1000 women and children is usually interpreted as 1000 innocent lives lost.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, that's true, but super fucked that women get the innocence of children and men are assumed to be not innocent in any situation.

Life is harsh when you're a guy.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Given the Israeli position on military rape, it's just a different flavor of attrocity.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

But a 20 year old male? It’s easy to argue they could have been an enemy combatan

The age old problem of "excess males" solved by declaring open season on anyone with facial hair.

[–] [email protected] 53 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

In Gaza casualty numbers any adult man is assumed to be a combatant by Isreal.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And a child is assumed to be a future combatant.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

And woman a combatant factory?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

They’ll probably start calling grains of sand terrorists.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

Anyone past puberty actually.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago

Call to emotion, nothing else. Women and children "sounds" worse than "people" dying.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago

I mean, a score is 20. I think that means they've killed two thousand scores of people. "Scores of women and children" doesn't really do that justice.

[–] [email protected] 104 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If he is still able to speak and be heard, then they arent loud enough. Every single person in that room needs to be screaming to demand his immediate arrest.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Good point, them leaving says I don’t want to be involved not that I want to stop the injustice.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

It's the only way they can express their revulsion at Israel, and the US who constantly block anything else they might try

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This might matter in ten years if Netanyahu hangs.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 weeks ago

That sack of shit should have been arrested.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Cool. Now do something that stops him. Going for a coffee won't save lives.

[–] [email protected] 100 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (6 children)

The UN is a forum for dialogue. Expecting the UN to do something other than either say stuff or help by mandate supported by countries just shows you don't understand what their purpose is.

Walking out in this case sends the message. If these countries want to do something about it they can, other countries might intervene on Israëls behalf. The UN provides a forum to discuss this kind of stuff. So countries don't end up in wars they did not want.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Maybe so... but I feel like this is one of the biggest mistakes in the post WWII order. Imagine what things would be like if the UN had more teeth (and no security council)

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Imagine what things would be like if the UN had more teeth (and no security council)

well then russia would be right about NATO lmao

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

Only the US (or Israel's Arab allies bought by the US) can do that and yeah.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

why isn't he arrested already? I wish I had similar privileges, where I could break laws (thst don't violate human rights ofc.), make a shitload of money and travel the world freely.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Now if they would actually take action.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Don't worry, they'll pass another strongly worded resolution.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Which the USA will find a way to veto or Israel will continue to ignore it.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago

We've always been good at walking away, closing our ears, turning a blind eye…

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