Systemdeez nuts
this post was submitted on 23 Sep 2024
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Fuck me, I'm crylaughing at this
Bullshit, there's always reasons listed. Some more, some less opiniated, but there's always lists.
For me personally:
- no portability
- not-invented-here syndrome
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- manages stuff it shouldn't, like DNS
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- makes some configurations unneccessarily complicated
- more CVE than all other init together
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- service manager that runs with PID 0
To the feature creep: that's kind of the point. Why have a million little configs, when I could have one big one? Don't answer that, it's rhetorical. I get that there are use cases, but the average user doesn't like having to tweak every component of the OS separately before getting to doom-scrolling.
And that feature creep and large-scale adoption inevitably has led to a wider attack surface with more targets, so ofc there will be more CVEs, which—by the way—is a terrible metric of relative security.
You know what has 0 CVEs? DVWA.
You know what has more CVEs and a higher level of privilege than systemd? The linux kernel.
And don'tme get started on how bughunters can abuse CVEs for a quick buck. Seriously: these people's job is seeing how they can abuse systems to get unintended outcomes that benefit them, why would we expect CVEs to be special?
TL;DR: That point is akin to Trump's argument that COVID testing was bad because it led to more active cases (implied: being discovered).
Try writing a init script on systemD.
It's amazingly simple
I feel like anyone who genuinely has a strong opinion on this and isn't actively developing something related has too much time on their hands ricing their desktop and needs to get a job
My full-time job literally involves dealing with systemd's crap. There is a raspberry pi that controls all of our signage. Every time it is powered on, systemd gets stuck because it's trying to mount two separate partitions to the same mount point, whereupon I have to take a keyboard and a ladder, climb up the ceiling, plug in the keyboard, and press Enter to get it to boot. I've tried fixing it, but all I did was break it more.
systemd gets stuck because it's trying to mount two separate partitions to the same mount point
Uh... Sounds like it's not really systemd's fault, your setup is just terrible.
I've tried fixing it, but all I did was break it more.
If you're unable to fix it, maybe get somebody else? Like, this doesn't sound like it's an unfixable issue...
Uh… Sounds like it’s not really system’s fault, your setup is just terrible.
I don't know his specific issue, but the general behavior of systemd going completely nuts when something is a bit 'off' in some fashion that is supremely confusing. Sure, there's a 'mistake', but good luck figuring out what that mistake is. It's just systemd code tends to be awfully picky in obscure ways.
Then when someone comes along with a change to tolerate or at least provide a more informative error when some "mistake" has been made is frequently met with "no, there's no sane world where a user should be in that position, so we aren't going to help them out of that" or "that application does not comply with standard X", where X is some standard the application developer would have no reason to know exists, and is just something the systemd guys latched onto.
See the magical privilege escalation where a user beginning with a number got auto-privileges, and Pottering fought fixing it because "usernames should never begin with a number anyway".
can you get something besides a pi?
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As someone who's not a developer at all and has been making a comic about systemd for a rather small audience, it's worse than you think: We actually have stuff to do and procrastinate on them while spending time and thoughts in this, reading old blog posts and forum debates as if deciphering Sumerian epic poems. Many pages were made while I was supposed to be preparing for exams, which I barely passed. Others when I should've been cleaning up for moving. I think part of the reason why I haven't made any in a while is that with a faithful audience being born and waiting for the next chapter, it's started feeling like something I had to do, and therefore, the type of stuff I procrastinate on.
😁 It is a fun comic
Thank you!
Congratulations on passing your exams! Hang in there. 🙂
Thank you! This year's even harder, but I'm hanging on!
What's system md? Sounds like the name of 90s anti-virus software.
Norton McCaffersky System MD Super Scanner Virus Protection.
[ *] (3 of 3) A stop job is running for User Manager for UID 1000... (1m12s / 3m)
# nano /etc/systemd/{system,user}.conf
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DefaultTimeoutStopSec=10s
You're welcome.
What is the default of the default?
OH LOOK A CONF FILE TO EDIT.
Full circle, bitches.
Type reboot into an SSH session and play everyone's favorite game show...
WILL IT ACTUALLY DO IIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
Do people still debate about systemd?
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