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I know it's been getting worse over time, but I could still find what I needed after some digging.

Recently it's been like 10 minutes of adjusting search terms, still getting completely useless or irrelevant results, and me just giving up afterwards. Other search engines seem just as bad.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago

HAHAHAHAHAH no. Google Search has gotten so much worse in the last couple of YEARS more like.

The reason behind this is not a bug but a feature. Google wants the trip from search to result to take longer as they can show you more ads that way.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 21 hours ago

The internet has gotten worse in general, and it's accelerating.
The vast majority of online content is now AI-generated.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Google makes money on ads. They make $300-$400 annually per user by displaying ads.

They are motivated to tarpit you in order to show you more ads.

Giving you your results quickly and efficiently costs them revenue.

Use kagi, or another search engine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I remember Google saying like 2 decades ago that it was actually their goal to get you off of their website as quickly as possible. If you clicked on a link, and then clicked back in less than 30 seconds, then Google would consider that search result to be not what you were looking for.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

The people who said that are long gone.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I shed a tear when quoted strings stopped working

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

A string is just a collection of characters, in programmer speak. When you use quotation marks in your search to find exactly what you want. If your search was:

dog "fast drive"

Google used to show results that only had both the word "dog" and the joined phrase "fast drive" in the same result. Or tell you there were no results.

Now it feels like Google uses that as a suggestion, giving you "dog" and any combination of "fast drive", "fast driver", "fast driving", or whatever else Google thinks you want, instead of what you asked for. Or if they don't find it, they serve you up whatever they want, with a small message about there being no matching results.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

YEAH WHAT THE FUCK

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

You mean when plused strings stopped? Because that was tragic as hell

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I didn’t realize. I’m horrified.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The internet has slowly become more and more useless over time since the pandemic. It's fucking impossible to find anything now. Half the time it's like I have better luck doing an lan search on my home network than looking it up on Google and I'm not even very deep into the self hosted everything rabbit hole.

It's like they want us all to be stupid, uninformed and not know how to do anything.

[–] [email protected] 157 points 2 days ago (4 children)

*years? Yes. It used to be the bleeding edge of search and now it's just profit driven enshittification like the rest of ai-ridden garbage tech wallstreet bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Don't forget your glue on your pizza! Can't have a pizza without glue....

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[–] dsilverz 12 points 1 day ago

There are many factors at play here, some of which including:

  • AI content is taking over the Web: with the popularization of LLM tools, there's an increasing number of AI-Generated content across the Web. Even press websites are using them for generating news and opinion articles.
  • Old sites/articles are vanishing from existence: for instance, old blogs and personal web pages, which contained a lot of useful information, are being deleted due to factors such as domain expiration, hosting expiration, insufficient web traffic for the host to keep it online, etc. To make things worse, few of these sites were archived with tools such as Internet Archive and Archive Today, meaning that, when they disappear, they really disappear.
  • Dominance of Reddit-owned contents and the Reddit issues: Reddit doesn't need introductions, most of the questions and content used to come from Reddit posts and comments. Things such as people (understandably) deleting their Reddit accounts make content to disappear as well.
  • SEO bs and marketing spam: Google kept changing "page ranking" algorithms, sorting results according to their own will. "Search Engine Optimization" is a just a facade that led many old sites to practically vanish from search result pages. Advertisement also did harm many sites as well, even the bigger ones.
  • Societal, economical and human changes: there were lots of changes upon society and humans by the last 5 years. These worldly factors also influence the digital landscape.

That said, it depends on what you're searching for. If you're searching for knowledge that used to be at old websites, you can use Marginalia to search this specific type of websites (considering that they're still online).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Try finding old band photos. Basically impossible

[–] [email protected] 86 points 2 days ago (10 children)

If you use Firefox you can add a Search Engine that removes the google cruft.

In about:config browser.urlbar.update2.engineAliasRefresh Boolean, hit the plus sign to add. Exit out of that screen. Then go to Search engines in Settings and “Add” [ whatever name you want to call it ] as a new search engine. And paste this URL and save it. https://www.google.com/search?q=%s&udm=14

You will see that it deletes everything but search when you use it. You can also just use the url but you must replace the %s with your search term, like red+espresso. Example: https://www.google.com/search?q=red+espresso&udm=14

I'm sure this works for other browsers, I just use Firefox.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I used to a hater of Kagi but honestly its a damn good alternative search engine. They are doing some actual innovation and are very transparent. I still prefer a good searXNG instance but searxng is more for technical people who understand decentralized meta search instances. Here's my simple guide on search engine alternatives to help you get away from google best you can.

Google is finally collapsing under the weight of its own greed and lack of innovation. Now other companies are showing up to steal their lunch especial with the big monopoly case going on right now.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thank you both, Smokeydope and LucidNightmare. That was an interesting read! I gave SearXNG (paulgo.io) a try and it was a refreshing experience, I'm going to start using it regularly to see how well it does.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Thank you for actually reading what was provided! SearXNG is pretty good, and I kinda want to give self hosting it a try! Good luck on the hunt!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

An article full of inaccuracies, but the most interesting bit is, all these conversations are possible because they clearly explain their views, which are publicly available on their website (for example, the philosophy behind the use of AI - which BTW is opt-in).

How is that an example of being opaque is beyond me.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 20 hours ago

Might want to go through and click the hyperlinks. Otherwise, I got nothing else to tell ya homie. It's all right there.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

As a basic bitch that hasn't gone to page 2 of a google search in years I don't really notice a difference.

The ai answers, related questions, and ad results are not especially helpful but at the end of the day I will find what I'm looking for.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago

SEO became too well known and is now filled with bullshit.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago (8 children)

I recommend Kagi, I've been using it for about six months now and results - especially small web results like blogs - are so much better. I also have a pretty good time image searching compared to when I was on Google.

Yes it's paid, but that to me is the price of resisting enshittification. Find a company that isn't a publicly traded for-profit world-burner and pay them for their service. Is the idea of paying for email and search an alien concept to me? Yes. But I'm either paying Google whatever €120 a year in eyeballs on ads and an increasingly worse experience, or I'm paying €80 a year and getting a markedly better experience.

Now it's up to Kagi and Proton to not turn into shitty companies while other competitors catch up and we have a thriving ecosystem again.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

Kagi is amazing. I absolutely love its' filtering features and I use that forums toggle all the time. It feels like such a more relevant experience for me. I tried it out with the 300 searches limit, but that wasn't even close to enough, turns out I easily use 4 times that in a month and even though it's not cheap it feels like it's worth it.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I was honestly getting so frustrated the other day at work when searching for something very specific and coming up empty handed. Tried DuckDuckGo and even fucking Bing and found what I needed in a matter of seconds. Google search is trash now. I have to go to the second page or further just to find something that isn't an ad, AI response, or reddit. None of which are helpful.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (1 children)

DuckDuckGo is just Bing with a duck on it.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

I tried Google again after a few weeks of DDG and gave up on the first search. DDG has some troubles with German but I can work around that

[–] [email protected] 41 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (30 children)

The results are usually the most clicked, not necessarily the factual links. Others have recommended kagi. I haven’t tried it yet. I remember when the internet started and you had to use them all!

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (6 children)

I've been using Kagi since ~February and it's changed my views on Search. Beforehand, if use a combination of Google, Bing, DDG, and Brave and rarely find what I needed in satisfactory time. Now I'm typically finding it in the top 5 without all the cruft + have access to a handful of LLM assistants to choose from for other tasks (when needed).

I've also heard good things about SearXNG.

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