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Edited to replace original incorrect Herzog attribution with my own version that correctly attributes the quote

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[–] 271 points 2 years ago (28 children)

Note:

He never said that. This quote is from William Pannapacker, a professor of American literature at Hope College in Holland, Michigan.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/werner-herzog-germany-quote/

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  • [–] 163 points 2 years ago (15 children)
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  • [–] [S] 47 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Ah, figures. I should know better than to post quotes without checking if they're attributed correctly

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    [–] 118 points 2 years ago (32 children)

    It's gruesome, isn't it? When I was young, I used to believe that people were, for the most part, decent. Misled, often, stupid, very often; but good at heart. Now, I'm convinced that a good third of our society is broken and a third of our society is blind to anything that doesn't affect them.

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  • [–] [S] 46 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    I actually originally dug this picture up for a post of this RawStory article titled 'Their ignorance is willful': WaPo analyst says enough with the MAGA voter pity, which is highly relevant.

    The problem with the majority of right wing extremists isn't that they're just stupid misled bumpkins, but that they're actual psychopaths who vote for people like Trump because he's promising to hurt everybody they hate

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    I'm convinced that we've lost, at minimum, 20% of our nation to some kind of mass-hysteria style sociopathy. I mean, maybe they've always been lost and we just didn't realize it, but going forward, I don't think anything can be done to 'fix' them. Most people, I think, are responsive to their environments and social standards, but after a point, you get so dug in that peer pressure doesn't work, even on social animals like us. All we can do is save the children of that 20%.

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  • [–] [S] 32 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It's the same with conservatives pretty much around the world right now.

    I really don't know how we're going to unfuck the situation without a lot of bloodshed – and make no mistake, it would be them who spill that blood like they're already doing, just at a much larger scale. As it is, conservatives are a threat to stable and peaceful societies, and due to their resistance to meaningful climate action they're an existential threat to humanity in general.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I have some hope, at least. People in general are passive, even when they hate the status quo, they often cede to a fait accompli. The trick is getting each bit a done deal before conservative talking heads have time to formulate the best Pavlovian Ten Minutes' Hate for their audience.

    And making sure the kids continue to be alright.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    I think what happened is that it became more acceptable to show their nastiness; that they used to have to hide it because our society wouldn't accept it. Then Trump being elevated to president normalized the violence and hatred being out in the open and those people felt safe to come out of the woodwork.

    I feel like it was always there, simmering beneath the surface, but I'm a self-admitted (overall) misanthrope who thinks most people are, on average, pretty shitty.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    None of what you describe is necessarily mutually exclusive. You can be broken, misled, misinformed, and stupid, while still being good at heart.

    I think that everyone is blind to something. Some of us are less so than others. Growing up in this world will do that to a person. Shit happens to everybody. Some of us are better equipped than others to handle it, while others are not.

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    [–] 48 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Germans are waking up to that as well at the moment.

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    I've been awake for a while and have been forced to watch the slow move towards it over the decades.

    Good thing there's always nature to take your mind off the topic of totally preventable tragedies caused by profit seeking and complacency.

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    [–] 39 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    This has been reported for violating rule 2: "No misinformation", as the quote was misattributed.

    The full rule:

    Don’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.

    OP admitted they didn't double check the author of the quote. This means it was not intentional.

    Leaving it up.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I'll just make a new one (this isn't oc) when I get home but that'll be 10h at least. It's OK to nuke this since it is sorta misinfo, although I didn't know it when I posted it

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Nah. That would nuke all the back-and-forth found here. I'd rather keep the discussion up.

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    I have a deep appreciation for this level of discernment. Moderating posts and their discussions in good-faith and abiding by the spirit/intention of the rules instead of strict enforcement by letter fosters community trust and makes it more difficult to argue against removals/bans when they do happen.

    Thanks for volunteering and keeping the lights on.

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (5 children)
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    [–] 14 points 2 years ago*

    People of Earth, you are waking up, as our advanced space-faring race once did...

    -- Gul Dukat

    Dukat 2024 -- Make Cardassia Great Again

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  • [–] 9 points 2 years ago

    Werner Herzog's "Aguirre: the Wrath of God" is on !fullmoviesonyoutube@lemm.ee here: https://lemmy.world/post/17030774

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    I kinda hate this framing because it makes it seem inevitable and ever-present. Even on the right it's more like 5% true hate, 28% normal Republican who does not find true hate disqualifying. There's plenty of reason to discredit that or disagree with it etc but it's not the same as being in the 5%.

    I was just listening to an interview with an evangelical who was lesser-of-two-evils on Trump, he'll vote for Trump but he's not a True Believer.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    But if the 28% are still voting for the true hate, how does that not make them complicit in what the hateful government is doing? Knowingly voting for the hateful option puts the 28% in the same pen as the 5%.

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    [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    I guess I am in the murderous third. If I could Thanos snap the MAGA out of existence, I would not hesitate.

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