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Rules

No plant-based diet bullshit or promotion of plant-based capitalism. Veganism isn't about you, it's about historical materialist anti-speciesism, anti-racist animalization, and animal liberation. Ethical vegans only.
No omni apologists or carnists. Babystepping is for libs, and we're not here to pat you on the back. Good faith questions and debate about how to fight for animal liberation are allowed.
No advocating violence to any species for any reason. If you think this is negotiable GTFO. This includes but is not limited to animal testing, slaughter, and mass euthanasia. Anything that promotes speciesism or the commodification of animals will be removed.
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Resources

Animal liberation and direct action

Animal Liberation Press (ALF)
Wiki on Ethical Veganism
Wiki on the Animal Liberation Front
Wiki on Total Liberation
Different approaches to AL direct action
Earth First! manual and tactics
Support prisoners of conscience: Vegan Prisoners Support Group (UK)
If someone tells you to put some paint on your hands, tag some buildings and then go turn yourself into the police - your "rebellion" is a fucking op

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When a carnist tells you it's inappropriate to compare animal oppression to human oppression, they're demanding your capitulation. (hexbear.net)

submitted 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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A core tenant, perhaps the core tenant, of veganism is that animals have a moral worth comparable to that of humans and that we have similar moral responsibilities toward them that we do to other people. When a carnist tries to tell you that you're not allowed to compare animal oppression to human oppression, they are demanding that you implicitly accept the carnist view: that animals are inferior and lesser beings, and therefore we can brutalize and kill them without compunction. The comparison between animal oppression and human oppression is only degrading to humans if you start with this premise.

It has nothing to do with being considerate to marginalized people (as they claim) and everything to do with creating a left-sounding justification to make your views verboten. If you are a minority discussing your own experience as a marginalized person in relation to animal oppression, carnists will try to dictate how you're allowed to talk about your oppression and use your solidarity with animals to get you into trouble. I have experienced this firsthand. They'll happily silence you in this manner because, for them, their concern was never with marginalized people - it was with their perceived right to not only enable the endless horrors of carnism, but to never be made the slightest bit uncomfortable about them.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago

People love to say that such comparisons undermine just how bad human oppression is, but what's actually going on is the inverse.

Carnists trivialize the oppression of non-human animals so much that they think that a pig being forced into a gas chamber is something more to shrug your shoulders at than it is to compare to a human being forced into a gas chamber.

It's honestly quite sickening.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Did anyone ever tell you... plants can feel pain too?" smuglord

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"Vegans kill fewer plants because most crops are grown to feed livestock rather than humans." gigachad

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

NOOOO you're supposed to collapse under the weight of my logic and reason and see all forms of suffering as equally bad therefore all suffering is equally worth ignoring let people enjoy things to each their own morshupls

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

These are folks using the same tokenizing logic that liberals use to cynically weaponize identity. "As an [X] woman I actually feel safer when cops are around" as if this invalidates the logic against policing, let alone the 5 other [X] women that disagree with that person.

And for basically every way you can slice up identity, veganism is more popular in the marginalized portions.

This kind of weaponized tokenizing doesn't just extend to these two topics, either. Self-elected "speakers in behalf if the [X] community" are everywhere and it is very common to find them supporting harmful status quos. Or supporting something that is fine but pushing back against effective but "impolite" means of advocacy.