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Kind of wish you didn't post this one. It's rage bait
Disney has a show, Disney has a distribution network, Disney knows the viewer metrics. They went from 6 million viewers from the first episode to 2 million viewers on the last episode. They made a decision based on their metrics, and their goals, about funding a second season. It's just business.
Everything else, people like it, don't like it, doesn't matter. It didn't perform.
i feel like a big part of the episode two drop was people finding out Carrie Ann Moss was trailer bait and killed in the first 5 minutes of the premier. sure she was in later flashbacks, but she was marketed like a series regular.
It’s what did it for me. I was promised something and they took it away with their bullshit marketing ploy.
This might be considered rage bait, but as a Star Wars fan I also sometimes feel like some part of the fandom can be quite toxic.
Alt-right Star Wars fan should be called out too.
They are, all the time. But also studios and actors use them as a shield. "It's not our show that sucks it's the evil Internet that made us fail."
If you make a show that costs billions to make while having no interest what so ever in existing lore while wasting good actors such as Lee Jung-jae and Carrie-Anne Moss and having writing that wouldn't compete with most student films and, in top of that, making a distrack attacking the people who are going to watch the show then obviously people are going to be upset.
People will get angry when you need with what they've grown to love over the years. You can't keep calling anyone you disagrees with you racist /or sexist.
This is a quote from the article we're commenting:
There has been a rampage of vitriol that we have faced since the show was even announced, when it was still just a concept and no one had even seen it.
Maybe the should've had a better concept? You can't work in the entertainment industry and not be able to take criticism. That should've been the time were they went back to the drawing board and think about why people were so upset before wasting billions on the Acolyte. The fans are your clients.
Do you think the vitriol was about the concept? How come?
No, I was responding to the quote of them getting criticised when the show was still just a concept.
She speaks of racism and bigotry that was aimed at her, are there any examples of what she has received? I hear this being said every time a modern Disney film/ series flops. Andor has both a non-white main character and a lesbian relationship but no one speaks of vitriol with that show. It just comes of as her not wanting to admit that the show was bad and instead blaming anyone who didn't like it.
There is this new comment that might answer your question: https://lemmy.world/comment/12073107
I love how the ones who claim that Star Wars fans are toxic are also the most toxic people in the fan base. Imagine calling someone an idiot/ bigot/ incel for not liking a show that you like.
Also I'm getting tired of how lazy these shows are with lighting and costumes. Everything looks like it's on a stage. Even the prequels look better because their lighting isn't so flat.
Passion can come across as toxicity, it just means people are invested and care about the story.
or maybe it just wasn’t very good.
No you see, when businesses pander and fail, it’s the audience’s fault.
I don't really have any horses (bantas?) in this race, since I just didn't have the time to watch most of the new Disney Star Wars stuff, but friends that did watch it said they didn't find it all that good, and especially felt like the queer characters felt a bit two dimensional beyond the representation they added.
Regardless of whether that's the case, I very much do believe that they got a lot of vitriol from reactionary fools.
Exactly this, the show just wasn’t very good. And the crazy bigoted part of the Star Wars fandom lost their minds.
I miss the time when new series got at least a second, sometimes a third season to prove themselves.
As a die hard Sta Wars fan, I'm pretty hesitant to even identify as that now. It was 100% shitty toxic fans that ruined this show. I guarantee most people saw the negative internet backlash and never even bothered with the show. Incels backlash is organized and planned. This shit has more reviews on RT than Mandorian, a 5 year old show after 2 weeks. It's all bots and fake review spam. Almost all criticism I saw leveled at the show was from people who had CLEARLY never seen Star Wars, and were NOT watching The Acolyte. They were bitching that Dathomiri Force Witches were woke lesbians! Give me a fucking break Force Witches have been part of SW lore for 30 fucking years. Acolyte was amazing Star Wars and I pity the fans who are too stupid to enjoy it.
It still wasn't good.
It wasnt bad, definitely not as terrible as the trolls and neck beards screamed it was, but it was all over the place.
Describe the main character? What's her motivation? They created a whole tragic backstory for her, but for most of the series her only motivation was to basically hang out with her old gang, maybe get back in, but that wasn't clear either.
They had an opportunity to tell a beautiful story, and the setting showed potential, the republic at the height of it's glory.
They overplayed their message, the Jedi order was both perfectly idealistic while also wholly corrupt. The witches suffered prejudice and intolerance, but also violently lashed out at anyone concerned for the wellbeing of their kids, who were basically being abused by a religious cult. Reverse the sexes: if it was a colony of mandalorian men who kept some force sensitive boys against their will how would that play?
None of it really went anywhere, huge strokes that hinted at epic scope and fizzled out. Flashbacks that revealed what was hinted at, but just answered questions without meaning. Finally, the few characters they actually tried to build up, they killed in one huge scene to feed the significance of their main villain.
So many post-covid scripts have this: they start with these beautiful themes and backdrops, but fall apart as the plot is meant to evolve. Almost all the MCU fell for this short of the spidermen.
It drew far too much hate, and it probably deserved a second season to pull itself together, but the first season was a mess.
You need to use those epic backdrops as a lure, to get viewers to be patient while you set up the internal character conflicts that actually matter.
Compare the elevator scene in andor, or just the heist episode to anything in acolyte, it's just not even the same league.
Describe the main character? What's her motivation?
This is a strange question. Osha finds out her sister is alive after 15 years and is killing the Jedi she thinks rescued her. Thats not motivation?
I totally enjoyed the Jedi being flawed and arrogant. They couldn't imagine anything bad happening in their ever vigilant watch.
Compare the elevator scene in andor, or just the heist episode to anything in acolyte, it's just not even the same league.
The episode where Qimir straight up murders like 20 Jedi in their prime. Absolutely brilliant and as good as anything else Disney has done with the franchise.
I'm sorry, that scene did little for me.
How many scenes have we had with jedi getting completely humbled by sith they didn't expect?
Yeah it was great seeing Jason destroy the Jedi. Jason? Yeah, that one hurt.
But he was also wiping everyone we were connected to, we lost the Jedi knight Vaughn the shirtless, as well as the greatest jedi in living history, padawan jecki the competent. It was an orgy and spectacle just to show that yes, evil dude is strong.
Afterwards, did it mean anything? He gave his monologue summing up the ending of Randianist philosophy the next episode, but we still barely had a motivation from him, he was just himself.
It had a lot of promise, but it was a series just to start a series and expand the franchise into the high republic.
They needed more. If you took Andor out of star wars it would still be incredible, if you took the acolyte out of star wars it would make even less sense.
Heard.
If it had been a cartoon in the style of clone wars people woulda ate.that.shit.up
It wasn’t bad honestly and I was legitimately looking forward to where the story went.
So was my teenage son.
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My only hope is that we get some kind of closure on this story in an animated short or something. Maybe Tales of the Sith? Nothing is truly ever dead. How are they gonna show us Darth fucking Plagueius and the cancel the show. God damnit!!!
I mean … it’s similar to how they did us at the end of Solo too :(
I didn't read any of the feedback about it and I thought it was extremely mid. The big fight with all the Jedi was cool. The writing was bad. Most of the characters were morons with poorly explained motivations. The pacing was bad. The 7th episode was a flashback episode with like 10 minutes of new content to show some different perspectives which is totally unnecessary when the series is only 8 episodes long.
Thank you for your comment!
Here is a really good analysis of the Acolyte in context of other starwars themes, and the critical communication issues that saw the viewership drop during the season.
No mention of politics, or vitriol here.
Another very good review, like 3 hours long: https://youtu.be/vpaHvUDo1dE
Thank you. These are excellent. I am a fan of star wars, but I definitely don't participate in backlash. I just don't watch the show! I knew this one was not going to be for me once I saw the premise.
Last Star Wars I watched was Mandalorian season 2. Franchises has gone downhill for a long time and after a while of miss after miss regular people don't tune in for everything.
Those on the opposite sides are the loudest in discourse, but every day people just quietly check out. And that's what happened in the end. Either something has viewers or doesn't and that's all money cares about.
I'd check out Andor if you haven't. It's some of the best Star Wars hands down. Honestly surprising that Disney made it
I'm just so over Disney Star Wars at this point that despite the recommendations I can't bring myself to check it out, since I've been wishing for a departure from prequels time lines. For me peak Star Wars has been KOTOR with it moving away from call backs to the original Star Wars events.