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Harris tells pro-Palestine protesters in Arizona ‘now is the time’ to get a ceasefire (www.independent.co.uk)

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

And the president and I are working around the clock every day to get that ceasefire deal done and bring the hostages home. So, I respect your voices, but we are here to now talk about this race in 2024.

She handled that well, but she’s gotta know that line is going to start to sound a bit stale by November, right?

She and Biden either have to deliver some kind of progress on Gazs by mid-October (which I don’t see happening — not with Biden in charge), or she’s got to up the rhetoric on Gaza a little before the election.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Or she has to at least show that her policies aren't identical to his. Because so far, she's accused anti-genocide protesters of being Trump supporters.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I am honestly impressed how she shut down the pro-Palestine supporters. Don't get me wrong, I support Palestine, but people have a point that this single-issue agenda is short-sighted and will undo democracy-- not just in America but also across the world. Trump winning means Ukraine will get fewer support and Putin and other illiberal leaders will win.

I just hope though that Kamala is much more assertive against Netanyahu than Biden. I feel like behind the scenes, Biden kowtows to Bibi.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

I feel like behind the scenes, Biden kowtows to Bibi.

He certainly does publicly.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Hopefully everyone will be so happy about „saving democracy” nobody will notice that her signatures are going to authorize support for israel.

[–] MoondropLight 23 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Maybe the time was before the Israeli Government assassinated the person they were negotiating with?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Bingo!

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (4 children)

And the president and I are working around the clock every day to get that ceasefire deal done and bring the hostages home.

So where's the daylight between her and Biden on this?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 months ago (1 children)

She's far closer to the right side of history than Biden.

If he has his faculties and he's doing this, this is a huge sin that will stain him throughout history.

If he doesn't have his faculties, I'd rather he let more capable people make decisions.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

She’s far closer to the right side of history than Biden.

So which of her policies regarding Israel differs from his?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (3 children)

The Palestinian one. Do the research on her private conversation with Netanyahu

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

How can you do research on a private conversation? Did they write it down?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The press reported on it. It was separate from her Biden Bibi meeting

Troll elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

All we know about Harris’s conversation with Netayahu is what Harris herself said to the press after the meeting, and she didn’t say anything different from what Biden has said.

And she wasn’t in the meeting where Biden met with Netanyahu.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (2 children)

So she's totally doing the right thing behind the scenes?

Yeah, I hear that plenty about Biden.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

Doing the right thing behind the scenes is the kind of action that lead to the Russian hostage exchange, the satisfaction of the rail worker unions after the railroad strike, the steady increase in student loan relief after SCOTUS shut down the blanket 10k handouts, and the duping of republicans into getting the chips act passed.

I personally believe in their capacity to do the right thing behind the scenes, just like I believe in the other side’s capacity to do the wrong thing behind the scenes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (2 children)

People who are fine with genocide have no reason to distrust Biden, and no need to see actual daylight between him and Harris. He's already doing everything centrists want in public.

And I asked which of her policies differs from Biden's. Policies are publicly held. Not "Trust me bro it's totally opposite day behind the scenes."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

"He wants to fix it but he has no leverage"

That's their fallback "argument"

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

And I asked which of her policies differs from Biden's

I was addressing the comment “I hear that plenty about Biden” and pointing out that the Biden administration has taken action behind the scenes, at least on a number of other issues.

I also have reason to believe that whatever behind-the-scenes talks are happening concerning Israel are pro-preace, because otherwise the US would be throwing enough military weight behind Israel that Palestine would be finished by now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Nevertheless, there's no difference in public policy, and "trust me bro" is not an answer to "how do they differ?" because "trust me bro" was the answer when people were upset at Biden for his unconditional support for Netanyahu's genocide.

I do not trust Biden, and I do not trust his acolytes when they tell me to trust anyone else. Because his acolytes were all in on genocide and still are.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

his unconditional support for Netanyahu's genocide

Biden has not given any “unconditional support for Netanyahu’s genocide”, because again, if that were the case, then Netanyahu’s mission would be over by now

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Netanyahu's mission is to stay in power. Ordering Biden to buy him a genocide is how he's doing that. I'm not sorry it isn't happening faster, though you seem to be.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I literally laughed out loud. Accusing me of being in favor of genocide, and a faster one at that, is a pretty weird and insane interpretation of everything I’ve said.

I believe that a Harris presidency would be better for Gaza than a Trump presidency. That’s the motivation behind everything I’ve said.

But if you don’t agree with me? Fine. You’re entitled to your own opinion. I just hope you don’t accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being in favor of genocide against any people. That’s bad for the soul.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

I believe that a Harris presidency would be better for Gaza than a Trump presidency. That’s the motivation behind everything I’ve said.

I'd like evidence that her policies differ in any way from Biden's.

"Behind the scenes, now shut up" ain't that.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Sitting around and doing nothing (but providing weapons and cash) while Israel kills children looks like unconditional support to me

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

What action has the administration taken? Israel is still killing children in Gaza

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago

Biden's administration has done NOTHING useful for Gazans

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

That's what they've said from the beginning of this whole mess. Then they've sat back and let Israel do whatever the fuck they want

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If it's private then how can we research it?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It was reported on.

Use a search engine. This thread started with an assertion she's the same. That's the assertion to prove.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If it was a private conversion then how can a reporter know it's true?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If a concern troll falls in the forest and no one is there to observe it, are they still concerned?

[–] [email protected] -2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

If the conversation was actually private then a reporter wouldn't know about it

But, assuming such conversation happened, what actions and results have come from it?

Israel continues to kill children in Gaza without consequence. Netanyahu arrived in the US and was applauded in Congress by (nearly) everyone present (in both parties).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

She's the VP. Other than words, there's not a lot she even can do.

That's where this lot of concerned people will always "be right" until she actually has power. And all this concern appears targeted to undermine that very outcome.

Even if she went full public and said all support would be withdrawn, it wouldn't be enough because people would want it now.

But she's not even elected let alone president.

Did you see what it took to get Biden to drop from the race? He's even more serious about Israel, I think.

There is no "winning" against this new raking of insisting she act as president and I do something. She can't.

Yet.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Israel hostages or Palestine hostages?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

The ones that there's somewhere between 1/100 and 1/1000 as many of 😮‍💨

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

So where's the daylight between her and Biden on this?

I too would like to know this.

And if she doesn’t want to say what she would do differently from Biden, I would at least like to hear her say that she’s willing to do things differently from Biden.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

I realized that what I meant as snark could be interpreted as agreement with the notion that Harris shares the same views on the situation as Biden.