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Harris tells pro-Palestine protesters in Arizona ‘now is the time’ to get a ceasefire
(www.independent.co.uk)
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So where's the daylight between her and Biden on this?
She's far closer to the right side of history than Biden.
If he has his faculties and he's doing this, this is a huge sin that will stain him throughout history.
If he doesn't have his faculties, I'd rather he let more capable people make decisions.
So which of her policies regarding Israel differs from his?
The Palestinian one. Do the research on her private conversation with Netanyahu
So she's totally doing the right thing behind the scenes?
Yeah, I hear that plenty about Biden.
Doing the right thing behind the scenes is the kind of action that lead to the Russian hostage exchange, the satisfaction of the rail worker unions after the railroad strike, the steady increase in student loan relief after SCOTUS shut down the blanket 10k handouts, and the duping of republicans into getting the chips act passed.
I personally believe in their capacity to do the right thing behind the scenes, just like I believe in the other side’s capacity to do the wrong thing behind the scenes.
People who are fine with genocide have no reason to distrust Biden, and no need to see actual daylight between him and Harris. He's already doing everything centrists want in public.
And I asked which of her policies differs from Biden's. Policies are publicly held. Not "Trust me bro it's totally opposite day behind the scenes."
"He wants to fix it but he has no leverage"
That's their fallback "argument"
I was addressing the comment “I hear that plenty about Biden” and pointing out that the Biden administration has taken action behind the scenes, at least on a number of other issues.
I also have reason to believe that whatever behind-the-scenes talks are happening concerning Israel are pro-preace, because otherwise the US would be throwing enough military weight behind Israel that Palestine would be finished by now.
Nevertheless, there's no difference in public policy, and "trust me bro" is not an answer to "how do they differ?" because "trust me bro" was the answer when people were upset at Biden for his unconditional support for Netanyahu's genocide.
I do not trust Biden, and I do not trust his acolytes when they tell me to trust anyone else. Because his acolytes were all in on genocide and still are.
Biden has not given any “unconditional support for Netanyahu’s genocide”, because again, if that were the case, then Netanyahu’s mission would be over by now
Netanyahu's mission is to stay in power. Ordering Biden to buy him a genocide is how he's doing that. I'm not sorry it isn't happening faster, though you seem to be.
I literally laughed out loud. Accusing me of being in favor of genocide, and a faster one at that, is a pretty weird and insane interpretation of everything I’ve said.
I believe that a Harris presidency would be better for Gaza than a Trump presidency. That’s the motivation behind everything I’ve said.
But if you don’t agree with me? Fine. You’re entitled to your own opinion. I just hope you don’t accuse everyone who disagrees with you of being in favor of genocide against any people. That’s bad for the soul.
I'd like evidence that her policies differ in any way from Biden's.
"Behind the scenes, now shut up" ain't that.
Sitting around and doing nothing (but providing weapons and cash) while Israel kills children looks like unconditional support to me
What action has the administration taken? Israel is still killing children in Gaza
Biden's administration has done NOTHING useful for Gazans
That's what they've said from the beginning of this whole mess. Then they've sat back and let Israel do whatever the fuck they want
How can you do research on a private conversation? Did they write it down?
The press reported on it. It was separate from her Biden Bibi meeting
Troll elsewhere.
All we know about Harris’s conversation with Netayahu is what Harris herself said to the press after the meeting, and she didn’t say anything different from what Biden has said.
And she wasn’t in the meeting where Biden met with Netanyahu.
If it's private then how can we research it?
It was reported on.
Use a search engine. This thread started with an assertion she's the same. That's the assertion to prove.
If it was a private conversion then how can a reporter know it's true?
If a concern troll falls in the forest and no one is there to observe it, are they still concerned?
If the conversation was actually private then a reporter wouldn't know about it
But, assuming such conversation happened, what actions and results have come from it?
Israel continues to kill children in Gaza without consequence. Netanyahu arrived in the US and was applauded in Congress by (nearly) everyone present (in both parties).
She's the VP. Other than words, there's not a lot she even can do.
That's where this lot of concerned people will always "be right" until she actually has power. And all this concern appears targeted to undermine that very outcome.
Even if she went full public and said all support would be withdrawn, it wouldn't be enough because people would want it now.
But she's not even elected let alone president.
Did you see what it took to get Biden to drop from the race? He's even more serious about Israel, I think.
There is no "winning" against this new raking of insisting she act as president and I do something. She can't.
Yet.
Israel hostages or Palestine hostages?
The ones that there's somewhere between 1/100 and 1/1000 as many of 😮💨
I too would like to know this.
And if she doesn’t want to say what she would do differently from Biden, I would at least like to hear her say that she’s willing to do things differently from Biden.
I realized that what I meant as snark could be interpreted as agreement with the notion that Harris shares the same views on the situation as Biden.