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But I still like the unix motto, about doing one thing well

I prefer this because it does give me more (<_< , >_> , <_<) liberty to choose what my devices do. I want to control my computers. For my phone, I avoid many apps because I don't their company to have my personal information, or because I don't trust them. I consider having banking apps on my phone to be a risk I don't want to take. It also seems like bundling could have security implications, such as having a messaging app and finance app so interconnected that a flaw in one could facilitate access to the other (but I do say that naively, this is not security advice or insight).

We also see a lot of people saying "I don't use Facebook, but I just have [Facebook Messenger/Marketplace]", so there is a very real-world case where people don't want the whole package bundled.

But I certainly acknowledge the downsides of this. I abandoned Debian partly due to outdated apps, but also partly because my disparate preferences created a Frankensteinian mess which didn't have the smooth interoperability of a DE-centres OS (like Ubuntu-flavours or Mint) or the interoperability we see in that video, where the map is connected smoothly to the ride hire. I can see the metaphor of the collectivism/individialism dichotomy at play there too.

"educated to be afraid of complexity and problems."

So true bestie

I hate the "Apple philosophy" of design.

Don't make it simple to the point of simplistic.

Less is not ALWAYS more.

Something that people yake for granted is that while some UI patterns are more intuitive and sensible than others, the larger picture which is formed when countless such patterns are stiched together usually relies on cultural inertia to be generally accessible. Some softwares are revolutionary in their design but most have to stick within a narrow window of what other popular softwares are doing. GNOME and KDE for example took a lot of cues from Windows and Mac were doing over the years. This is mostly because Microshit and Apple are monopolistic companies with a deep market reach and deviating drastically from the norms set by them would dissuade a lot of potential newcomers.

China's stuff--websites and apps--looks different because they were not tethered to norms set by the Western tech industries since they did not or could not cater to the Chinese market. I don't mean to say it is better or worse because of that. But it's good that this variety exists.

dead empty space is literally settler culture.

things that immediately jump to me that are very western are lawns, parking lots, suburbs and now app design.

I wish the video had some specific walkthroughs of using multiple large features in a super app

I can give you an IRL example. On AlipayHK (Hong Kong has a unique version of the app) there's a sub-app called 'cross-border zone'. If I open that, it turns out it's a collection of other sub-apps all related to making visits to the mainland from Hong Kong. There's a train booking app, a ride share app specifically for cross-border trips (which specifically requires cars that have dual license plates), a hotel booking app, Klook (a ticket booking app for attractions on either side of the border), and even a dental appointment booker (Mainland dentists are cheaper and don't try to scam you, so they get a lot of business from Hong Kongers).

The dental appoinment booker is essentially a directory of dental clinic ads.

If I wanted to spend Firday night in Shenzhen and get my teeth cleaned in the morning, I can do all the planning and booking through Alipay sub-apps, with varying degrees of integration. The dental booking one opens individual clinic websites in an in-app browser that has standard buttons at the bottom to have the clinic I'm looking at either text me or call me. The ride share app is as full-fledged as Uber.

Everything will have been vetted with Alipay, so the different apps can get data (and obviously payment) from the platform and there's nigh zero form-filling for each service even if I've never used them before. The video talks about clutter design giving reassurance by giving more information, but there's more reassurance (IMO) in the knowledge that by encapsulating these apps, Alipay is essentially vouching for them.

And the kicker is: the service Alipay provides is free for us as users. They don't charge transaction fees, even when exchanging currencies. Alipay makes money by having the businesses pay to be on the app. Apart from the core infrastructure and government services, the sub apps pay to be sub apps. And below the list of popular sub-apps on the front page, there's reams and reams of 'coupons'. Businesses pay Alipay to offer you discount coupons for their products and services.

I need to say something for the ads on super apps like Alipay. It's a weird experience. It's viscerally different from ads on, say, Google. On Google, you're the product. Businesses pay to place themselves at the top of the search results. You don't benefit from that in any way: the price for your search results is that the top results aren't the best results for you but the best results for Google and its customers.

On Alipay, the payment platform stuff is at the top, followed by the sub-apps, and then the ads infinite-scroll underneath. There's no ads on top like on Google, there's no full-screen ad or video that you have to wait 15 seconds to skip. The ads are skipped by default, and those ads have to offer some additional motivation for you to choose to scroll through them. So all the ads are coupons. There's just thousands and thousands of discount deals, and you tap on them to 'claim' the coupon, and in most cases Alipay automatically applies the discount within its payment system. You're still the product, but you opt-in, and you get a cut.

I swear Alipay is a manifest rebuttal to the accusation that China is capitalist. It superficially looks capitalism-dystopian as fuck when you look at the UI, but the experience of using it is experiencing a system that serves public interests instead of corporate interests.

I want to make a neocities website and, for now, that may be about it (again, for now).

But I have a few "project ideas" that, honestly, I'm torn on what to do first.

The "project" is basically to make my first website... and to make it USEFUL. Like, what do people need right now? What do communists need? Or organizers? Or different leftists? What would someone genuinely like?

And what hasn't been done before?

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