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The lost history of what Americans knew about climate change in the 1960s (grist.org)
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I guess "lost history" means things Gen Z didn't grow up with? I'm sure the vast majority of Americans have been well aware of global warming and the ozone for the past 30+ years. Oh... yeah. I just looked at the author's photo and she appears to be in her mid-early twenties.

What actually happened was the shift of manufacturing towards countries with worse environmental standards than the US put into place in the 1970s. The standards implemented by the Clean Air Act simply made it more expensive for producers to do things in this country than in others. And as technology has progressed, and the human population exploded, our need to mine and transport and process raw and refined materials has increased - despite the efforts of "first world" countries to reduce their carbon foot print.

Nothing was forgotten. Congress and corporations just kicked the can into someone else's yard.

This is a good article but the premise is misleading.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

for the past 30+ years

The title says "1960s", that's closer to 60 years than to 30.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Thank you for the math lesson. Let me introduce you to context.

I’m sure the vast majority of Americans have been well aware of global warming and the ozone for the past 30+ years.

This sentence is saying that the vast majority of Americans have been well aware of global warming and the ozone for at least the past thirty years. It's suggested here that for at least thirty years, if not longer - if not for sixty years, most Americans have been well aware of climate change. I have the confidence to say that being that I'm in my mid-forties and have been well aware of climate change since I was in elementary school. Being that the generations born before and after me make up the vast majority of the population, I feel that it's safe to say that for at least thirty years, the vast majority of Americans have been well aware of climate change. Meanwhile, a portion of the country has been aware even longer (nearly sixty years) and perhaps an even smaller portion of the country has been area for less than thirty years.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That's cool and all, but as I said, the post explicitly mentions the 60s, I don't see how your smug input about Gen Z and whatever happened when you were in elementary school (30-40 years ago) relates to or adds value to the post that explicitly talks about the 60s.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Thank you. I'm going to take this moment to reflect on the nature of people on the internet who lack basic reading comprehension and how my interest in helping to clarify things is wasted. I shouldn't bother giving a shit about anything because no one else actually cares to even grasp the meaning of a short headline let alone care to read an article.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I mean there was environmentalism in the 60's, 70's, 80's but you had to be somewhat plugged in to be aware of global warming at the start of the 90's although you would have to be somewhat clueless to not know by the end of the 90's. One thing about global warming that is scary is if we 100% reversed it I don't think folks understand all the other environmental damage is still heading us off the cliff.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

That’s the longest sentence I have ever encountered.

I was taught all about global warming in the 80s and 90s in elementary and middle school. It was all over cartoons and magazine and newspapers. Definitely not forgotten. It was nearly top of mind.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

we grew up in a very different 80's then. Don't recall the masters of the universe or gi joe ending clip talking about it. Me thinks your childhood was more 90's and maybe late nineties and mine was more early 80's

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

The Greenhouse Effect | G.I. Joe: A Real American Hero | S01 | E14 | Full Episode

Cobra steals an experimental nitrogen rocket fuel. But before the Joes can capture the Crimson Guard in possession of the fuel, he hides it in a greenhouse, where the volatile mixture mutates everything into gigantic man-killing plants.

Super Friends 1973 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_Friends_(1973_TV_series)

S01E04 "The Weather Maker"

Batman and the Junior Super Friends head to the World Weather Center after Colonel Wilcox informs Batman to find out what is causing the wild weather changes and stop it. They find out a tall, bald, thin man with glasses named Dr. Thinkquick, who is from a continent called Glacia up near the North Pole, is shifting the Gulf Stream with a jet nozzle from his tugboat at sea, as well as a remote control device to warm the climate at his dreadfully cold country, without taking into consideration to what will happen to Florida and the rest of the world.

S02E07 "Too Hot to Handle"

With temperatures rising all over the Earth, Colonel Wilcox informs the Super Friends that the rise in temperature is more than a mere heat wave. The top scientists have been working around the clock and found out the Earth is drifting from its own orbit to the Sun. Superman goes to India and seeks the help of fellow Justice League of America member, the Flash, who was saving the Taj Mahal from an earthquake. The Flash uses his super speed to put the Earth back into its own orbit by reversing the magnetic poles of the Earth. The Junior Super Friends notice a strange man who is dressed in heavy winter clothes. They chase after the strangely dressed man and follow him to his hideout inside an active volcano on a Pacific island called Malibah. They learn that the man's name is Kolbar and he comes from the planet Solar Terrarium, where he and his people needed a constant temperature of 140 degrees to live comfortably. Kolbar was trying to find another planet for his people to live on when their planet cooled off to a bone-chilling 85 degrees because of pollution. Superman, Aquaman, the Flash, and the junior members journey to Solar Terrarium to clean up the planet. Afterwards, the planet's leader apologizes for their mistake and promises to use their resources more wisely.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

this is sarcasm right? I mean yeah the title but its not like the episode or the ending skit talked about it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry. I'm not able to cut out a portion of my brain to understand how you're missing this.

There was a TON of media geared towards kids in the 1980s that educated us about global warming, environmentalism, the health of the air, sea, and land, pollution, toxicity, nuclear radiation, deforestation, threats of animal extinction, etc. Off the top of my head, GI Joe and Super Friends and Captain Planet in particular were overwhelming with this sort of education (pretty sure Transformers and M.a.s.k. were too).

I don't know how anyone growing up between 1970 and 2000 could have missed this. If you don't recall, that's totally fine. But you can't argue that it didn't exist when I'm showing you evidence to the contrary.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

environmentalism yes. Global warming no. As I stated at the start of the 90's it was the rare person who knew about and grasped co2 concentrations and global warming effects but by the end it would not take a whole lot of effort to know about it. There is a reason an inconvenient truth was a thing in 2006. It was still not that widespread in the early 2000's. Thats why he was doing those talks that got captured in the movie. One of my things about global warming is many folks seem to see it as something that if we can solve would take the threat away but of course that would not alleviate any of the other environmental damage we are doing.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago

Ok. We're evidently not from the same region and/or generation. The experience around me was starkly the opposite.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago

This is a pretty interesting article on the Right's recent strategy to undercut environmental protection, by claims that the original congressional mandate was focused on the immediate health risks and not long term concerns for the climate.

Recent papers highlighting original studies are helping the current generation of lawyers locate the less immediate/imminent/was-all-over-the-news reasons behind the adoption of the EPA. There was quite a bit of focus on climate damage, but what sold all the public arguments was smog and one of the Great lakes bursting into flames.

All the more reason that originalism is dumb, but I guess it's the way the court wants to be right now and you've got to work with what you've got.

It's easy to forget how much good the EPA has done.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 months ago

Fuck Reagan and conservatives. The 1980 elections should have been overturned and Carter should have been kept as President.