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She's written exclusively in The Sun, which I've left out the URL field because it's The Sun. Here's what she wrote:

We cannot pretend everything is OK. Not when criminal gangs are making millions out of dangerous small boat crossings that undermine our border security and put lives at risk.

We have directed Immigration Enforcement to intensify their operations over the summer, with a focus on employers who are fuelling the trade of criminal gangs by exploiting and facilitating illegal working here in the UK – including in car washes and in the beauty sector.

And we are drawing up new plans for fast track decisions and returns for safe countries.

Most people in this country want to see a properly controlled and managed asylum system, where Britain does its bit to help those fleeing conflict and persecution, but where those who have no right to be in the country are swiftly removed.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah, there's a lot of concern about nail bars and car washes - it's possible some working there are under a kind of indentured servitude or just plain slavery, and car washes in particular are known for being used for money laundering (no pun intended).

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

The point everyone else is likely to miss here. Both of these are poorly regulated havens for modern slavery.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Attending illegal immigrants does not stop the problem though. As others have said, there need to be easier legal means for them to emigrate to the UK.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 1 month ago (2 children)

They can stay where they are

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

If only Westerners would do the same eh?

I'm sure Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, Syria, India, the entirety of Africa, Korea, Cambodia, Burma, the Americas, Palestine and god knows how many other places, would have appreciated us not moving in and upturning their entire way of life and strip mining their countries for our own benefit.

But sure, stop the migrants at the border. Then you can work for minimum wage washing my car. You utter ghoul.

I take comfort in knowing that you will get to watch the quality of life in whatever ghastly western country you live in completely deteriorate, and as that happens your own ruling elite will turn their hungry eyes inwards and begin to treat you and the ones you love the same way they've treated poor people around the world. As a resource to be exploited, used up, and then thrown away. It couldn't happen to a more deserving people.

I'll be in China, laughing my fucking arse off.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

At a time of rising prices and cost of living pressures, I like my local £5 hand car wash and I'm not particularly curious about the immigration status of the guys that work there.

The solution to illegal immigration is to create far easier routes for legal immigration, so that the service sector can recruit the workers it needs to provide the services the public want at the prices we expect - not headlining-obsessed political clampdowns that just drive migrants even further into the arms of criminal gangs and drive up prices.

There are people who want to come to Britain and work, there are businesses that want to employ them, and there are customers who want to pay affordable prices - Nigel Farage and the Sun are nowhere in that triangle so the government really shouldn't be kowtowing to their opinions.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

"Ah but if we made legal immigration easier, how would we maintain have a cheap and abusable workforce with no legal protections?"

-A demon, one of many literal demons in British government

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Nigel Farage and the Sun are nowhere in that triangle so the government really shouldn’t be kowtowing to their opinions.>

I don't see where they are kowtowing to Frog Faced Farage.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I don’t see where they are kowtowing to Frog Faced Farage.

Then you missed the part where she's prattling on about illegal immigration and directing Immigration Enforcement to go harass a bunch of small businesses, instead of just making legal immigration easier. We've had 14 years of Tory home secretaries creating an insane mess of red tape and bureaucracy as obstacles to an act that ought to be quite simple and practical - Labour need to correct this, not lean into it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Make legal immigration easier by all means, but that doesn't mean you automatically give everyone here illegally a free pass. Going after those that exploit those that want a better (and safer) life is the right way to go.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Don't see a problem there.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

So until they sort out fast track decisions and deportation, what are they going to do with those illegals they round up? Put them in an empty prison cell - anyone see a flaw in that plan?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] -5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

somehow this labour government is worse than a tory one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Are you aware of how many car washes have been implicated in human trafficking and modern slavery? It's a largely cash-based business and a lot of the workers are there against their will.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Only if you're an enjoyer of slavery