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Hi comrades! I'm back! Sorry for the delay! I've been keeping busy, with this project, with work, and with getting familiar with a new town. This update is fun because it's actually entirely devoid of electrical engineering nerd shit! Since last update, I've focused on two things - getting the framework of a website together, and actually getting usage hours on the device so I can know how it handles, what it's missing, what it does well, etc. I'll break this update into those two sections.

Device usage

I think I have about 5 hours in the device so far, with I'm guessing a couple thousand or so pulses. I've tested my face, eyebrows and beard, I've tested my hands, I've tested my arm, I've tested my leg, and I've tested my chest. The general routine is as follows:

  • Get clean and get comfy.
  • Get all the peripherals in order and get the board set down somewhere stable. For me, this is getting good direct bright lighting, getting the foot pedal in a good spot, getting a clean (or at least clean_ed_) probe in the probe holder, getting the return electrode connected [1], and for some work areas, particularly with vellus hairs, getting a magnifying headset on.
  • Dial in estimated power levels. The thickest and darkest hairs I've tested on like about 2 mA at whatever voltage it takes to feel the burn, usually >= 10V, and pulsing for the whole 10 second duration. I've gotten facial hair kills at 1 mA/6 V/6 seconds, and vellus hairs on my hands can typically take 0.5 mA/6 V/5 seconds. These are determined by trial and error and I almost always fiddle with them multiple times in the middle of a session; there's no rigorously defined science besides the Units of Lye calculations, which are very loose. More current leads to faster kills but it hurts more and it's easier to accidentally overdose and get a hyperpigmentation scar. I've never managed to do this accidentally, only on purpose, see below.
  • Put in the probe and hit the pedal. Wait out the indicator light [2], feel for the burn, and at the end of the pulse, pull out the hair.
  • Repeat!

Some areas are clearly not regrowing, others, it's too early to make a call, but I'm pretty confident that it'll be minimal, possibly even better than salon electrolysis, due to a number of advantages to self-work that I'm finding that I'd love to detail here. There are some cons too.

  • pro: you can feel the power. You very quickly get a feel for what a good follicle kill feels like. A well killed hair will cause a burning sensation strong enough that it lasts for a few seconds after you stop applying current. You can also feel overkill - I did this a couple dozen times to experiment, the follicle isn't any deader than any of its neighbors, but one or two of the deliberate overkills has what appears to be a hyperpigmentation scar that looks like a freckle. They're already fading, but they might be permanent and might not. I have never accidentally overkilled but it's definitely possible to do so, especially if you have a healthy appetite for pain and/or are working impatiently. An overkill probably takes at least 3 times the current*time that the minimum safe kill does, so it's not super close.
  • pro: you can feel the pluck from both sides. I do have minimal testing on another person and feeling the hair pull on one side is helpful (a dead hair slides out with a pretty constant slide, a live hair tends to hold on and hold and hold and then break loose all at once). However, when you're both feeling and plucking, you can feel for the signs of a killed hair more effectively - killed hairs tend not to hurt on the way out and you can give them a light test tug and not feel it. A hair that hasn't been killed will hold on and cause a little bit of pain with a test tug, allowing one further way to check your kills. I strongly recommend both parties having experience (just a couple hairs) on both sides when doing co-work to foster this kind of mutual understanding that allows for better communication.
  • con: obviously you're not getting a lot of your body. You need a friend to get everywhere, particularly a lot of the spots that are really important. My biggest issue has been trying to self-work my neck. It just doesn't wanna go, the angles do not hit. I believe it's an area that will be possible with more practice and dexterity, plus a smarter setup - I'm going to try a mirror setup to see while lying on my back, but it's frustrating. :angery:
  • con: fatigue. When you're working on someone else, you can get comfortable. When you're working on yourself, you're very often uncomfortably contorted. This poor ergonomics greatly shortens session time and poses an issue for our comrades with disabilities. My DIY sessions usually last an hour tops; I have some pain issues in certain positions and this does NOT help.

I also have some notes on equipment:

  • [1] - I had a good idea that I'm a thousand percent recommending for self work. Salons typically use a holdable piece of metal for the return electrode. I am using an ECG electrode. For partnered work, this is nice because it allows your recipient to get more comfy and do things with both hands, but for self work, this is almost indispensible - it lets you keep both your hands free. I'll put instructions for making and working with both on the website.
  • [2] - Visual cues suck. You do not take your eyes off of the hair for the whole cycle. I initially had the lights hard-wired and the buzzer switched - the lights absolutely should be switched, they're not useful most of the time. I'm working without a buzzer due to the soldering mishaps in the previous post and it sucks, the beep cue is almost certainly a thousand times more useful.
  • Pedals are great for a salon-like context of a laying recipient, a seated operator, and personal space. For every other configuration - standing in front of a mirror, laying on the couch next to your bestie, etc., you probably don't want a pedal as much as you want a hand switch or a bite switch.

This isn't all inclusive, but I'm definitely happy to get thoughts down prior to starting work on the manual! which leads us to...

The Website

It's on jekyll now! We're finally ready to start hosting actual, real content there! So, so many thanks to @[email protected] , who actually single-handedly ported the old single page splash screen to Jekyll and on top of that pushed out a bunch of fixes for my sloppy half-assed jekyll code. I really, really appreciate you, you're genuinely helping both to motivate me by both making indispensable contributions, and also just by being a person out there in the world doing this with me. trans-heart

The appearance and organization are both super preliminary, and there's not any actual content, and the design is also very much a prototype. The important thing is that now I (or anyone else!) can just write markdown and have it reflected online in an easily readable and shareable format. Email patches are a great way to get both code and content on the page, I try to review them at least twice a week or so. Now that things are set up, it's extremely convenient to put content up. I think to pilot the website, I'm going to make a more formal tutorial for the pencil based probe to start. The one I made per @[email protected]'s instructions is still doing phenomenally, thank you for your research and development. Similar thanks for being a part of the project in a meaningful way and making this a team effort. trans-heart

Come take a look! https://sphynx.diy

What's Next

So the project is hitting a bit of a fork, where we finally have multiple parallel work streams at a time - the online manual needs to be designed/written, and the RC2 version of the PCB needs to be designed and ordered. I have a list of changes from working with the RC1 that I'll be rolling in, that'll be the next post. I'm also going to start using https://todo.sr.ht to track issues, both to keep myself organized and to publicly advertise what we need to get done in a neat encapsulated way. I'll have details for that up on an #8.5 post in a couple days. For now, honestly I feel bad for drastically overrunning my two week timeline and leaving y'all in the dark for so long, so this post is going up ASAP. I've been busier than usual and probably busier than I plan to be in the future, so I'm more optimistic for a timely #9 post, although that may be in three weeks and not two due to some plans of mine.

I love y'all. RC2 might be the release. We're just weeks away from other people benefiting from this project materially, it's just refinements from here. Thanks for the support, and you know the drill, stop by, say hi, ask questions if you want to understand things better, make suggestions, all of it. See ya next time. kris-love

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[โ€“] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (5 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Add me please i keep missing these and had to look you up to find it

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 3 months ago
[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Add me to the list pls. I keep forgetting about this cool project kitty-cri

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago
[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Very cool. Nice to see everything going smoothly

I don't have a lot to say, we're already talking about the mailing list, and I don't remember what "... And maybe more" was referring to in my last comment.

[โ€“] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Awesome!!! I can't wait to get one for me and some friends!

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

I love y'all. RC2 might be the release.

We love you too and we're so excited to try it out!!

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[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

con: obviously you're not getting a lot of your body. You need a friend to get everywhere, particularly a lot of the spots that are really important. My biggest issue has been trying to self-work my neck. It just doesn't wanna go, the angles do not hit. I believe it's an area that will be possible with more practice and dexterity, plus a smarter setup - I'm going to try a mirror setup to see while lying on my back, but it's frustrating.

Do you think a borescope camera might work? The ones on Amazon don't look too expensive and plug right into a phone, looks like. Also seems like you might be able to design a 3D printed probe holder that incorporates this or just tape it to whatever you're using already. Something like this: https://www.amazon.com/Endoscope-Borescope-Inspection-Flexible-Waterproof/dp/B0C9L75QQ9/

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

oh shit, i do have one of these laying around... it seems like it would be a lot worse than being able to see with the naked eye or like a concave mirror, but who knows, it might be usable

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

fuck yeahhhh. when you're ready for testers sign me up and ill test it in a professional setting lets-fucking-go

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

wow! we're so close

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Will you work on international differences? For example here in the UK we have 230 V at a frequency of 50 Hz whereas US has 120 V at a frequency of 60 Hz. Not being an electrician I have genuinely no idea whether or not such regional differences in power will require differences in design.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

hello! I'd love to talk through it, but the very short answer is that this is fully global as designed. It runs on 2 9V batteries and is never connected to the wall at any point. Batteries are consumable and it's a little bit of a bummer (these exist which mitigates this issue!) but there is a safety risk with having any direct electric line from the wall to a person. I trust my engineering skills but even if I feel like I could make it safely, it's not worth the risk. If my circuit completely fails and the batteries shoot straight through to the recipient's body, it's just 18 V and it's a little ouchie but no big deal, unlike with wall current, which is a very, very big deal. I would never endanger trans. <3

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah that makes a lot of sense.

Interested in getting one made up and testing when you're confident. Also happy to help figure out any issues with getting access to making it that people might have.

Part of me wonders if it might be a good idea for this project to have its own comm at this point. It could serve as a place to for the diaries to all be easy to find in one place, but also as a place for people to ask questions. Most importantly is that it could serve as the community hub once people are actually using it. @[email protected] would be the person to talk to about that.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

For what you asked about: No. It runs on batteries.

Though I have myself thought about this, in regards to purchasing the device. Instead of it being shipped from the US, are there EU (also for customs reasons)/European options

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

For what you asked about: No. It runs on batteries.

Ahhh! That's a good way to avoid the issue of the dangers of mains electricity lol.

Best thing to do for Europe would be to find willing comrades that would produce and ship at cost? Assuming this is a not for profit operation. If it's for profit then there's probably proxy companies that will let you ship the product to storage somewhere in europe and then use that storage as the shipping location, for a cost of course. There would probably be a specific word for this but I don't know what it is.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don't know a lot about this electronics stuff. But from what I have gathered through what 410bdf posted, it seems there are companies that will fully produce stuff. So you give them file(s) describing the PCB and they will ship the finished product to you. And each user is supposed to upload and buy one themselves? Although, maybe not, I really don't know. 410bdf knows, hopefully she comes and clarifies.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Are electrolysis machines not controlled here in Europe? I had assumed the reason that you need to get it done professionally was probably because no home device exists for legal reasons. This would pose significant barriers to getting a proxy company like that to do it.

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

shrug-outta-hecks

But also. We aren't making them make an electrolysis machine. We are just sending them a PCB they then manufacture. We are just making it to learn more about electronics. owl-wink

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Might be able to do that. Assuming that the whole product is pieced together by the end-user from parts bought from different suppliers.

There will be PCB printers that do one-offs too anyway.