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All these articles with "bombshell leaks" that "prove" that Israel "knew in detail about Oct 7 ahead of time" are racist/orientalist/colonialist COPE (hexbear.net)

submitted 4 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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The underlying premise is that "these dumb sand people are too stupid to have carefully planned and executed a complex mission, the truth is that wE kNeW aBoUt It in advance but no one listened. Here take a look at these 'secret reports' by unnamed intelligence officials."

It reminds me of the ancient alien shit of how "there's no way the stupid ancient egyptian skull brains could have made the pyramids, it must have been advanced aliens who showed them!"

Or another thing I hear is "Israel has the most advanced spying network, hOw cOuLd ThEy NoT hAvE kNoWn???" Ok well the resistance fighters completely owning all their "high tech" shit (or how Hezbollah sent a drone over big cities and completely avoided the Iron Dome) proves that maybe their systems were actually shit and not really "advanced" in the first place.

Another thing ppl might say is "well why would Israeli media leak or talk about it? wouldn't that make them look bad? thus maybe it's true?" Think about it, what looks worse: completely getting owned or saying "oh yeah we knew about it but someone forgot to mention it up the chain." They're obviously lying to make themselves look better. I hate that some commentators I see know that Israeli media lies but then when it comes to these "bombshell" reports they completely believe them. It's sad, because it plays into the racist trope that the Palestinians are actually stupid and any military victories are "actually we knew about it but stumbled somewhere"

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago (1 children)

It makes me think there's a non-zero chance that they knew it was gonna happen and purposely let it happen to have a reason for genocide

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but the Israelis "always know" that there's gonna be "an imminent attack." I just don't buy it. It's more like they're trying to cover their ass by saying "we didn't get owned! actually we had ALL THE DETAILS!" (which is actually what they are basically claiming).

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Suppose they did know beforehand, had the plans, but didn't take any measures to mitigate the risk.

You don't think that makes them appear incompetent or malicious? If they knew in advance but did nothing, that would be admitting to permitting the deaths of their own civilians. That's not exactly good PR, like you suggest.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

One thing that states hate to lose is the monopoly on violence. The best way to prevent (overwhelming) violence that will imminently arise in bourgeois states is to scare the larger class into submission or win it over with concessions. Narratives like "knowing" about Oct. 7 can be used to scare people who would otherwise join resistance groups away from doing so. Not so easy to see in this case, but it's more clear when looking at how certain people cast the CIA and the NSA as all-powerful and all-knowing. Even the detractors of the alphabet agencies sometimes end up reinforcing this narrative. It's true that they do possess a wide variety of resources, but they are still made up of humans and will never be perfect. My point is that yes it could be used to make someone look malicious or incompetent (by their detractors), but it can also reinforce the "invincibility" or a "precognition" narrative that will be later used to dissuade resistance (by supporters or by detractors).

I think what OP wants to say is that maybe they never suspected a thing or maybe it was brought up as a point in some morning standup meeting in the IOF that the "filthy hamases are plotting something" and everyone ignored it. One thing is clear: the attack was not planned by Israel, and they did not have perfect knowledge of it - and those that repeat that last line are clearly coping.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

So what they're really saying is... Bibi did 10/7. Got it.

Either your grotesque power difference over your enemy in surveillance and intelligence was thwarted, or the attack that killed a thousand of your citizens was your own doing.

Though it doesn't surprise me that Israel would prefer to lay claim to killing its own citizens rather than to claim ignorance.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

isn't this the same thing the Bush admin tried with 9/11 that spawned all the "Bush did 9/11" memes? should just take a page from that book and pin 10/7 on Bibi. in both cases, there's a kernel of truth - the attacks are blowback. you can't claim to have known and ignored it without inviting the charge that you're responsible.

and it forced the US intel freaks to stfu about how they knew. it'll probably work again.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

It's the same thing as "the FBI knew about the shooter beforehand" and "Bush knew about 9/11 beforehand". Whether you think it's true or not at any given moment depends on what narrative you want to support.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Whether you think it's true or not at any given moment depends on what narrative you want to support.

Yeah the narrative of "these dumb sand n-words are too backwards to develop complex military operations that completely take us by surprise and reveal to the world our hubris in our own military might and faith in our technology. Yeah we're super racist."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

They are certainly bigoted, but I think you are vastly underestimating the totality of the IDF's mass surveillance of Palestinians.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

It's their 9/11. They knew about it but decided that if they got bloodlust out of their population, they could commit and benefit from genocide.