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[–] 253 points 2 years ago (27 children)

Automatic draft, but notvoter registration...

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  • [–] 76 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Just because the politicians want to grab you out of your life and use you as cannon fodder doesn't mean they want to actually be as accountable to you as they're supposed to.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago (20 children)

    Automatic registration for Selective Services, not automatic draft. That’s very different. This is actually helpful in keeping people out of prison or getting fined for not registering.

    But yes, this absolutely proves that they could automatically register people to vote with no designated party affiliation.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (19 children)

    As a European I have always been confused when Americans talk about "voter registration". The way it works in my country is you are legally required to register your residence with the government and that registration is automatically used to determine a voter registry (just filtering by age, citizenship and exclusion due to criminal convictions all of which is information already known to the government). I always just get a letter a few weeks before elections informing me where my polling place is.

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  • [–] 25 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Well you see, in the United States, the way some politicians, specifically ones belonging to a certain very authoritarian political party manage to get elected is by making sure people don't or can't vote.

    This is often coupled with throwing a huge hissy fit about "voter fraud" which doesn't actually exist on any remotely meaningful level.

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  • [–] 146 points 2 years ago (19 children)

    I might catch hate for this but I never understood why it wasn't automatic the entire time since it's illegal to not register.

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  • [–] 40 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Easy way to funnel the lazy into prison labor?

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    [–] 102 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    You're already legally required to manually register with the selective service if you are male and you turn 18.

    Why not just introduce legislation to end that requirement altogether.

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    [–] 70 points 2 years ago

    This will definitely get the kids voting Republican.

    GOP 2024: We want you to die.

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  • [–] 65 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Remember kids, you can be a draft dodger and be president 😎👉👉

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  • [–] 59 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    So people can be automatically registered for the draft, but not automatically registered to vote? Seems like bullshit.

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  • [–] 57 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    Disagree, just make the draft also affect women so it's not sexist

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    [–] 55 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    For one, I think this was already required. I remember having to enroll in selective service.

    For two though, whoever calls another draft is dead in the water. It's commonly accepted that starting an actual draft is political suicide.

    That said, it would be nice if we could codify that and ban the draft.

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  • [–] 23 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    You are required to sign up but they usually only can enforce it in ways such as applying for a driver's license or voter registration. Maybe more kids aren't applying for drivers licenses and therefore aren't signing up.

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    [–] 52 points 2 years ago

    Fully automated luxury war slavery

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago*

    Some folks inherit star-spangled eyes

    Ooh, they send you down to war, Lord

    And when you ask 'em, "How much should we give?"

    Ooh, they only answer, "More! More! More!" Yo

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  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Fuck the draft. Dodge the draft.

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    [–] 37 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Seems like a pretty good Common Sense legislation really. You already have to register by law so making it automatic would be easier for all of us and avoid anyone getting in trouble for something stupid. I don't see a downside to this. I would like to see it apply to voting registration too however.

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    [–] 14 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (20 children)

    Technically, the USA already required you to sign up for the draft right around the time you received your Social Security Card. The draft has not been used since 1973 and earlier. So this basically has no adverse effect. Even if a draft happened all the same people who would have been drafted before will be drafted now.

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  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    You're required to sign up within 30 days of your 18th birthday. You should have (well your parents anyway) a social security card within the first year of your life, strange outliers aside.

    It's still technically a crime knowingly not registering, with a $250k fine, even if it hasn't been prosecuted in decades.

    It also bars you from federal government jobs, many federal programs, and grants. Until 2020, it also barred any federal financial aid for education, but that's changed now.

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I'm for this. Don't vote for war mongers when you or your kids or grandkids could be drafted for war.

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    Kinda a nothing burger really. The military doesn't want conscripts unless there's an existential threat to the country.

    So there's two scenarios:

    1. Selective service continues to exist and is only used if there's an existential threat to the country
    2. Selective service is eliminated and is re-instated only if there's an existential threat to the country

    Option 2 is preferable since it eliminates the cost of a program that will likely never be used again. But it still doesn't eliminate the possibility of a draft since if the country were under an existential threat in the future, legislation can be passed to bring it back. So Option 2 isn't effectively different from Option 1, other than the cost savings.

    As it is, selective service is basically just a political talking point, and a way to "own the libs" or whatever. The best way to argue against it is to make an argument around the cost of a program that doesn't really accomplish anything. But the libs take the bait and argue about not wanting to be drafted, which isn't wrong, but that makes the libs look weak in the eyes of many, and it allows Republicans get to make hay about their opposition being weak.

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