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We shouldn't accept climate change as inevitable or stop trying to effect change. That said, what sort of clothing is out there which might help as we feel more negative effects?

The main thing I'm thinking about is dealing with heat, but I guess part of the question involves a little forecasting about the types of challenges people will face in the future.

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[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 year ago (8 children)

The best clothing for a hotter environment is a tad counterintuitive, because it's less comfortable in the short term... you want full sleeves, full pants or a long skirt/kilt/toga/whatever (I'm reasonably certain that if heat waves continue cranking it up, these are going to become a unisex thing, whatever we're gonna call them...). You want everything loose so there's room for evaporation to happen (it's your body's natural swamp cooler), you want large openings everywhere so the air can ventilate, and you want lighter colors that reflect. You'll also want to cover your head, preferably withsomething wide (and/or includes the little neck covering flap deal) that creates a lot of shade, but it's currently more common in deserts to see less shade producing scarves/wraps.

You'll feel hotter in the immediate, and overdressed, but you'll overall be absorbing less energy from direct sunlight, and that means a more stable amount of body heat overall, and less risk of things like cancer.

I wear loose t-shirts, jeans, and a wide boonie/fishing hat. Less overall clothing is better, but more coverage is also better. Gotta find that balance is all.

TL:DR, the clothes most people associate with the Middle East... clothes that are worn by people who've dealt with a hotter climate for millennia. The white robe looking getup is what's gonna work best in a hotter climate.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

This is troubling. I have a constant fear of dropping food on my clothes. A white onsie is definitely going to stain. Climate change strikes again.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Wear light, earthy toned clothes instead of white, you'll attract less bugs and the stains will be less noticeable.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Or just wear a stillsuit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Does any of this advice change if you add humidity into the mix? Like in coastal areas where it can get really hot?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Not really. Humidity will just mitigate the cooling effect that sweat and evaporation have.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I believe this would be a kaftan for a man.

Do we have anyone here with experience wearing one in hot weather? What material is best?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It's not just the material, it's the specific weave too I think?

I'm not originally heat tolerant, personally, so when I visited Cuba I brought a lot of linen clothes and they did wonders. Just pants and tunics, and a brimmed hat. I looked like a drug lord but never overheated.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

it's your body's natural swamp cooler

You have a way with words.

Serious note: Middle Eastern wear is what came to my mind too. I mean, they’re the experts in hot environment clothing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I’ve been wanting a long sleeve baggy shirt for running, do you have any suggestions off the top of your head?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Ugh... I won't wear long anything to run in. I've always gone shorts and T-shirt, even in sub zero temps :)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Well, or even more effective, just put your clothing into water. I even have a vest that is specifically designed for that:

You'll put it into water and evaporation is keeping you cool with a relatively stable temperature. For example: I sat around a few people who were clearly not "enjoying" the heat, while I was quite comfortable (and I'm really sensitive to heat and would normally escape hot places instantly).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where to buy? I’m not living in the Middle East

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The internet? Just find a website that ships in your country. Hopefully one with a return policy, in case you don't like what shows up.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What to search for? How are these things called?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

According to @[email protected], one type is called a kaftan. A quick search yielded at least a dozen different sites, like Temu or kafko.

Full disclosure, I have never worn any of these, nor have a shopped for these or even visited those sites before. I just wanted to help and did a quick search.

I come from hot, humid climates. What we usually wore were materials like linen. Since they were wetter environments, shorts and shirts reigned supreme. Longer clothing loses the thermodynamic benefits when wet.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

I think one of the questions we need to ask ourselves, more than what to wear, is the sustainability of clothing manufacturing.

What companies make clothes in a sustainable and environmentally friendly way?

My go to has been Patagonia. They do a lot to help with sustainability, the pay better wages than most manufactures, and their reuse/recycle programs are great.

I’ll admit, their products can be expensive so it might not be an option for everyone. However, every piece I own has lasts for years and is very high quality.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

The founder of patagonia basically ~~gave his company away to fight climate change too~~

See the comment reply to mine

https://archive.ph/2022.09.18-100206/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/09/14/climate/patagonia-climate-philanthropy-chouinard.html

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No, he created a hedge fund structured as a 501(c)(3) to avoid paying taxes on inheritance for his family. The “non profit” may do some good while in the process of tax sheltering a billionaire’s estate, that’s not the primary purpose of it.

https://youtu.be/0Cu6EbELZ6I

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I mean, they can't personally use those billions on themselves, so the family is still less wealthy for it. Sure it still gives them political power, but personally, I'd rather have the money than the power. So it's quite possible they do plan on doing good with it. And whoever gets the trust after them still will be required to use it in a relatively narrower way as opposed to the family just buying another house or something.

So it's true to be skeptical, but I don't know if I'd argue it's purely setup to shelter money since it doesn't really shelter money. Its like putting money in an FSA to avoid taxes. Sure, you avoid taxes, but you can only spend it on medical supplies. Is it really sheltering at that point? Honestly, it's kind of sad that the FSA is only example I can think of that most people could theoretically relate to. Billionaires just live in a different reality.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Interesting. The YouTuber you linked to has a very irritating editing style and flow, but it’s obvious that it’s true, nonetheless. I’ve since updated my comment

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Seconding Patagonia. Also thrifting/reusing and repairing old clothes.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Patagonia also sells second hand clothes for those who are looking for that brand specifically.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Patagonia also has a 'used' shop: https://wornwear.patagonia.com/

I've had Patagonia perform repairs for me before as well. Takes a while to get the stuff back but the repairs are top notch.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 year ago

My plan is to not be alive when it gets bad enough I gotta change my clothing.

Otherwise sunblock and nothing. Out here like greased up deaf guy except with SPF5000

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Ladies and gentlemen: The Wife Blazer

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

That's a fun twist on its old nickname.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Return to monkey.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Shopping 2nd hand is really the only viable way to get clothes without further impacting biosphere collapse.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Cooling scarves are amazing. Wide brimmed hat. Shemagh.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

pants that zip-off into shorts

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Patagonia and thrift/consignment.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

How about second hand clothing that makes climate change less likely? We can call that "climate change" clothing also.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Lightweight long sleeve UPF rated sun shirt or hoodie…

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

A good razor to take off the full-body sweater. Somewhat joking but there's enough good advice here already and I'd be lying if I said some hot days didn't have me reaching for the shaving cream. It's just the thought of the horrible itching during regrowth that holds me back.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Where I live, firefighting gear.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Where I live it would be a fire proof rain jacket

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Zip up legs cargo pants/shorts.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Seersucker suits and a good handkerchief. And you should say, “Heavens, it’s warm today.” and sup juleps.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

A moisture wicking baselayer. Light colored clothing.

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