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[–] [email protected] 130 points 5 months ago (21 children)

“So guys getting blown up in trenches in Ukraine by drones? Ha, totally not age-restricted,” the creator said. “ Me firing a 3D printed pink glock that I made? Age-restricted. We don’t need kids watching that. We want kids watching people getting blown up by mines. Love it. Awesome.”

Guys missing the corpo bottom line.

Gun manufacturers have gotten sued by families of school shooting victims. Youtube runs the risk of getting dragged into court because little Billy sees the 3D printed pink glock, decides that he can make that, that its time to fuck up some bullies, and then after that those bullies parents shoot lawyers in every direction (which includes Youtube, even if the odds of getting anything are minimal) like mushroom spores. That risk assessment doesn't exist for Ukraine war vids.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago

I suspect this is exactly right.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (8 children)

More generally "gun control" is never about controlling the cops, military, MIC, etc. There's bi-partisan support for the state maintaining its monopoly on violence.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

Of course the state wants to maintain its monopoly on violence. That's what states do.

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[–] [email protected] 79 points 5 months ago (9 children)

People sitting at home 3D printing guns aren't happy? Who could have guessed.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago (4 children)

I'm guessing most people aren't happy.

Not just in the gun community but like everyone.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 5 months ago (35 children)

3D printed guns are being used by fighters in Myanmar.

https://3dprint.com/302100/myanmar-rebels-rely-on-3d-printed-guns-to-fight-military-junta/amp/

They’re pretty important if you want to be anti-authoritarian.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 months ago (2 children)

How is this relevant? They will still be able to watch YouTube videos about the topic like before, it’s just age restrictions for under 18

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

I think the people who get up in arms over 3d printed guns forget that most people will never develop the skills or even have the prerequisite skills to make one anyways. It isn't like you just plug in the printer, down load a file, and you have a gun. You need to learn alot of other things to actually make something functional. Things like ECM (electro chemical machining) is often necessary and a whole host of other skills.

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[–] [email protected] 68 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Soon the only content left on Youtube will be AI generated ads for Ponzi schemes.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago

We can only hope.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Is this why Ian McCollum's videos are getting altered? Over the years, he's had many historical deep-dives featuring firearms from the Murphy's auction house. In recent months, he's been re-uploading those videos to cover their logo with the word "Morphy's". Even though the auctions are long over, I suppose Google counts them as promoting sales.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

I remember something from "forgotten weapons" where he I think he talked about having to retroactively blur the auction house because he didn't work with them anymore or a change in their policy. Not a Google one, I think.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago (3 children)

He fucked himself over with some of the auction houses by trying to set up backroom deal to buy a gun outside of the auction. Understandingly they don't appreciate that sort of thing. Ian has a history of not being a great person, but he's good at hiding it from the public eye.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

I used to frequent the FOSSCAD IRC ages back as a teen. This started during the post-Liberator panic, there were talks about regulating 3D printers to not allow printing guns, etc. Designed a few things, never actually printed any of it myself, but some others did. Really got me into engineering before I exited the scene, led to actually pursuing an engineering career. Was surprised to see 3D printed gun videos so openly shared, it was pretty underground for ages there.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (2 children)

I used to run the 3D printing community on G+ at around 500k strong, (about 10k weekly active users according to Google's stats) and I ended up actually pissing off a lot of my European users because of this. My viewpoint on it, was as an engineering exercise -- it's an amazing thing. It's not advocating for guns, and guns aren't only used to kill other people. So I stood up for the guys posting about their engineering challenges, and their work making 3D printed parts for a machine with high impact loads and loads of cycling issues.

Unfortunately, it lost me some friends, like Gina Haubage and Tomas Sanladerer -- as they disagreed highly; and wanted to ban anyone posting firearms related 3D printing content.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

there is probably no point in fighting this sort of thing, but i wish we would engineer something else instead

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Projectiles are a part of human nature. We've always thrown spears, rocks, etc -- firearms are just an extension of our better understanding of the world. I know of barely anything else that uses explosive charges that is as widely applicable to the general public. Roofing nail guns? But that's such a niche subject, it's not something people are really worried about trying to make with 3D printing. Believe me, if I had a better engineering challenge for 3D printing, I'd be suggesting it. But nothing quite hits like containing an explosive charge, and utilizing the energy in a way that performs work without destroying itself.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 months ago (2 children)

camera gear? experimental musical instruments? i think an idiot could make a list of things that aren't guns and don't suck

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

Things that "don't suck" are far away from peak exciting.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Did you miss the qualifier "that uses explosive charges"? The engineering challenge is in the explosive part.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Absolutely, it's a fabulous engineering challenge, to make it work well on a hobbyist grade 3D printer with ordinary materials. Also a lesson in using the right tool for the right job (some parts are just better off milled or bought OtS)

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (5 children)

PSR is an awesome channel and his music slaps. He doesn't give any instructions or links to files or anything else. He just shows completed examples he built that the community designed. YouTube needs to fuck off with the censorship. The information is all out there. They aren't protecting anybody.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago

lol as if they are doing it to protect anybody.

nothing YouTube ever does, or Google for that matter, is to protect anything but their ad revenue.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago

It might quell the lifestyle image of the phenomenon. If it does, it's only a few drops in the bucket.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Google is ruining themselves to suck off advertisers. Hopefully someone can fill the gap of YouTube.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Maybe odysse will rise

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

PeerTube could use some love.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Haha, private company, you can't do shit about it.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 months ago

Lost profits for the gun industry.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Third most popular video on the guy’s channel - a million views. A handgun that can shoot all its bullets in the blink of an eye.

30 years from now if 3D printers are unrestricted, will there be any point to gun control?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Neither the gun nor the switch is 3d printed in that video.

But to answer your question, you can make a firearm from actual trash if you're sufficiently motivated. Look at the different guns Abe's assassin made from a couple of years ago, he even made his own ammunition because of it's lack of availability in Japan. Is the point of gun control as it currently stands to limit access to firearms period or to limit their access to good and more easily available weapons? I would say it is realistically the latter, though crossbows and air rifles are completely legal for people who are barred from owning firearms to obtain and use which sort of invalidates that too.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago

That switch is a federal offense unless you have a Class III SOT and have paid the prerequisite taxes. He explains it at 2:00.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

Any competent person with $50 and access to a hardware store can build functional firearms. This didn't start with 3D printers.

It is 100% legal in the US to build ones own firearms for personal use. Only a few states have put any additional requirements around it.

Building new full auto guns is already illegal without the proper federal licensure. It was already possible for motivated bad actors to ignore this law if they want, even before 3D printing became a moral panic.

There is already zero point to gun control. Can't stop the signal.

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