this post was submitted on 13 May 2024

590 points (98.8% liked)

Technology

58997 readers

4295 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.

Our Rules

Follow the lemmy.world rules.
Only tech related content.
Be excellent to each another!
Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
Politics threads may be removed.
No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots

founded 1 year ago

MODERATORS

[email protected]

590

Report: Microsoft to face antitrust case over Teams (arstechnica.com)

submitted 5 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

126 comments fedilink hide all child comments

top 50 comments

sorted by: hot top controversial new old

[–] [email protected] 161 points 5 months ago (11 children)

They should face The Hague for how bad Teams is. Currently I have the "option" to switch to "Classic Teams" (which needed to be a separate application because fuck-knows-why) via a toggle. When I do, it launches Classic Teams and freezes, requires another 2FA approval, or both. Then, it later closes and auto-updates to "New" Teams and I get to do the whole process again. And New 3DS Plus Teams 2024 ME+ Pro U has stupid floaty notifications that take up too much space and annoy me.

Thank you for listening...

[–] [email protected] 57 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Teams also sets itself to autostart with Windows, even if you choose not to, or diabale it from the startup manager, it overrides it upon next launch.

It's the only software I've ever seen doing that crime against humanity.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Programs that do that are straight up malware in my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

They are malware

load more comments (2 replies)

[–] [email protected] 31 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Iirc support for Classic Teams was dropped in March (or earlier). New Teams is generally less buggy in my experience anyways, and I haven't yet found functionality its lacking. Not sure why you're still presented with the option to drop back, as I don't believe I've seen that toggle in a while

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It’s still supported under VDI environments which is why the toggle still exists at all.

Not the best rollout of a MS product but I give them credit for realizing that they needed to switch the underlying code base completely to be more efficient, and actually committing to it.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Oh? It's not a bastardization of Skype for Business (which in turn was a bastardization of Lync) anymore?

load more comments (2 replies)

load more comments (1 replies)

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Oh, don't worry. They're ending support for old teams soon. You won't have a choice anymore.

Not only are new teams notification banners annoying, new teams no longer makes a noise for every single notification, like it used to. I rather have a ding than a banner, especially since I tend to use all of my screen space.

load more comments (4 replies)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (2 children)

I've had to repeatedly switcho "new teams". The selection isn't sticky for some reason. It seems like it shouldn't be that hard to develope a messaging app that does file transfers and meetings but apparently this bloated pile of horseshit proves reason wrong. A second long delay when changing threads? "You'll use it because corporate says you will...and you'll LOVE IT".

load more comments (2 replies)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago

My favorite part about New Teams is when it kept telling me I was forced to move from Old Teams to New Teams because our IT department was pushing the update. Cut to everyone in IT being confused as fuck because no they fucking weren't.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

New 3DS Plus Teams 2024 ME+ Pro U

…& Knuckles?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I love the naming convention

Outlook -> Outlook (new)

Teams classic -> Teams (new)

...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And the bloody "new" tag in the task bar icon is driving me nuts.

load more comments (1 replies)

load more comments (4 replies)

[–] [email protected] 103 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Can Teams please fuck off and take Outlook with it?

[–] [email protected] 68 points 5 months ago (5 children)

The only thing worse is New Outlook. They took away all of the power features and a good deal of the customization, and so you are left with something that feels like it was designed for a mobile app while you try to manage thousands of emails.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 5 months ago (14 children)

It's literally their web app put in a Chrome window.

It's outrageous. The Mac version of Outlook is way better, and it's native!!

load more comments (14 replies)

[–] [email protected] 23 points 5 months ago (1 children)

And they absolutely fucked years and years of security training by fucking with url previews and truncating the front of the url.

What the actual fuck were they thinking?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Hadn't realized that change was in there. What a mess.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago

I probably wouldn't have either of my CISO didn't have to deal with it (and bitched at me to try to find a fix) because new outlook is just the shit mail app with a fresh coat of paint.

They'll have to take old outlook out of my cold dead hands.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

I made the mistake of trying to mark 900 unread emails as read

do not do that if you're in a hurry

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Recently a LOT of my emails with hotmail have been getting blocked at the server level, they arent even reaching my junk mail, which makes troubleshooting why I'm not getting emails a nightmare, ESPECIALLY in this day and age if 2fA

load more comments (1 replies)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago

*and Exchange Servers

load more comments (2 replies)

[–] [email protected] 66 points 5 months ago (2 children)

MS being sued for packaging something with windows? Haven't we seen this before?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I'm sure the penalties will be so high as to teach them a lesson they won't forget for decades because that's how good the legal system is in dealing with corporations now.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (1 children)

The early 2000s stuff did end up having some significant effects that lasted for decades.

They've 100% forgotten all about that or think it won't happen again in the last few years, though.

load more comments (1 replies)

[–] [email protected] 57 points 5 months ago (15 children)

the universal hate teams gets warms my heart.

the ubiquitousness of it dumbfounds me though.

fuck teams.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 months ago (7 children)

When something is both universally hated and almost always chosen above less hated competitors, that's usually a sign that there's some kind of market failure. Maybe it's anticompetitive conduct by the provider (like Microsoft using its market power on Outlook/Exchange to push other services like Teams over its competition), or a principal-agent problem (like the person paying for Teams not actually having to live with most of the shittiness).

load more comments (7 replies)

load more comments (14 replies)

[–] [email protected] 42 points 5 months ago

Someone should face jail time for this piece of crap that I can't opt out of.

And OneDrive as well. That piece of shit installed itself as the default save as location, and after removing it from my system, the save as dialogue now hangs for 20 seconds. And the policy to remove OD as a save location doesn't work whatsoever.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 5 months ago (4 children)

How about Edge!?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

No thanks, I'll stick with my unpatched IE 6 instead.

load more comments (1 replies)

load more comments (3 replies)

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Why do Microsoft have to welcome people to their software? Is it because they otherwise wouldn't feel welcome using it? :P

load more comments (1 replies)

[–] [email protected] 21 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Okay but could they please hide the microphone settings a little deeper under menus that are already hard to find such as whatever makes the PowerPoint presentation go full screen? No one has ever figured out that one. It's just that we love the resonance of that beautiful feedback sound. As soon as one of the old farts joins the meeting, we know that beautiful sound that slices thru all mosquitoes in the area is coming. But all too soon someone walks through the procedure for turning off the microphone. If we could have it for another 10 minutes without automatically detecting it like almost any other software from the 90's would, that would be sweet!

load more comments (2 replies)

[–] [email protected] 20 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Am I taking crazy pills? Discord and Slack suck just as much imo. They are all a shitty web app repackaged for the desktop. And they are all fine, barely anything to chose betweem them. Teams is probably the best as the calendar integration with outlook and hosting ad-hoc drop in meetings in a room is good, no really, the virtual office is fantastic for pairing and team work.

IM peaked with IRC though, the simplicity was excellent, Matrix the closest thing to it imo. I do wish more stuff integrated with it to offer the same business experience as teams

[–] [email protected] 40 points 5 months ago

Yeah they are shit, but aren't forced down your throat by the OS.

I hate teams with a passion. As long as you have to work with more than one organization, nothing works whatsoever. You are constantly logged out, have to go through their stupid authenticator app, can't save a second login (only a private one, not an organization), links open in the wrong org (even if you are logged in), etc. etc.

I've reached the point where I use teams exclusively in Edge, alongside with Outlook, because both of their desktop apps are utter crap.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I hate that it's links are "incompatible" with Firefox, even though if you trick it into thinking it's Chrome, it works just fine.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 5 months ago

this here - fuck that BS. Also, the Linux Desktop app discontinued since 2022 (still works, for now, on my debian)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

#IRC4LIFE

load more comments (1 replies)

[–] [email protected] 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Unpopular opinion I guess, but I think Teams is actually pretty good at my workplace.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Have you been forced to use "New Teams" that loves to close itself randomly throughout the day and also doesn't allow you to pin it to the taskbar even though the option is there and selectable? It also has a permanent "Update" button at the top of the window that nags you to update but when you select it, it tells you that you're running a newer version than what's available.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Also constantly asks if you want to try the new teams even though you're using the new fucking teams.

load more comments (4 replies)

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Coming from a Slack office is pretty damn painful when you get tossed into Teams. The lack of chat organization and chat threads is painful.

Microsoft also moves at a glacial pace. Terrible bugs float around in their products for months / years. That company doesn’t know how to ship stuff anymore. All they do is reorg product and engineering teams every 6 months, then wonder why they can ship anything on time on time.

load more comments (5 replies)

load more comments (1 replies)

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 months ago (1 children)

sometimes it takes minutes to load the calendar, only to still fail

load more comments (1 replies)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago

I have to use Teams as a student and we never even do video calls, just sharing files, and there are so many issues we have with it such as bugginess and no one understanding the UI.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

Microsoft isn't slacking with teams.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

According to three people with knowledge of the move, the European Commission is pressing ahead with a formal charge sheet against the world’s most valuable listed tech company over concerns it is restricting competition in the sector.

Microsoft last month offered concessions as it sought to avoid regulatory action, including extending a plan to unbundle Teams from other software such as Office, not just in Europe but across the world.

The EU then issued a 561 million euro fine against Microsoft for failure to comply with a decision over the bundling of the Internet Explorer browser with its Windows operating system.

The company declined to comment but referred to an earlier statement that said it would “continue to engage with the commission, listen to concerns in the marketplace, and remain open to exploring pragmatic solutions that benefit both customers and developers in Europe.”

Microsoft is also part of a handful of tech companies, including Google and Meta, caught as “gatekeepers” under the new Digital Markets Act, meaning it has special responsibilities when trading in Europe.

The tech company has also faced complaints from European cloud computing providers that are concerned that Microsoft is abusing its dominant position in the sector to force users to buy its products and squashing competition from smaller start-ups in Europe.

The original article contains 507 words, the summary contains 215 words. Saved 58%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 5 months ago (1 children)

which one? classic? teams for work? teams for personal?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 5 months ago (1 children)

New Classic Teams for Work, Professional Edition (New)

load more comments (1 replies)

load more comments