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[–] [email protected] 198 points 6 months ago (68 children)

Only US tech companies can harvest all that data from their products, I mean, customers.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (12 children)

I mean let’s be honest, that’s slightly better than US companies plus the Chinese Communist Party being able to do so.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 6 months ago (19 children)

I don't know about you, but if I must leak my private data like a sieve to use the internet, I'd much rather that data go to a government that isn't governing me!

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago

They still can, they just have to go back to buying that data lmao

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago

Everybody Sucks Here

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago

It's obviously more of a problem when a government that actually has agency over you harvests your data. If you can't even understand this, then you're truly lost.

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 6 months ago (8 children)

Here's Bernie Sanders from a year ago talking about how a handful of companies control the news people see, read, and hear. TL:DR - He makes the argument that it's not fake news, that journalists are usually hard-working and honest. He says the problem is the limitation of allowed discussion - what topics make it to the consumer. He says for instance that he's never asked about wealth and income inequality.

I believe TikTok is being banned because as it stands now it brings topics outside the limits of allowed discussion to a lot of eyes in ways US government/companies haven't proven able to control. If the issues justifying a potential ban were truly data security or mental health as some argue (not without merit mind you), then the legislation to address those issues would look a lot different and include companies like Meta, Google, Instagram, etc. Those are valid concerns but the new measure is clearly not designed around them.

Finally, we've seen how Trump can tie up the courts for months on end even after all his self-snitching. Thus I very much doubt we'll see any actual action in the 9 months + 3 months grace period laid out for the resolution of the TikTok matter. There are too many constitutional and business law challenges in my (admittedly layman's) reading of expert opinion.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 6 months ago (9 children)

I believe TikTok is being banned because as it stands now it brings topics outside the limits of allowed discussion to a lot of eyes in ways US government/companies haven't proven able to control

I mean, if this were true, that would mean you wouldn't be able to find similar content on Western platforms. Are you really saying similar content isn't readily available on YouTube? If so, what content?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

That's a solid criticism and I upvoted. I hadn't thought about YouTube. Anecdotally I've had factual comments about how many kids are killed, what Israeli politicians say, etc. auto-moderated into oblivion on YouTube. But at the same time I get a lot of the facts I use from YouTube (basically never been on TikTok) so it holds water. I also get a lot of info from other sources, but I can't think of something specific I'd get from them that I could never find on YouTube.

In my defense, I'm basing my opinion on why TikTok is particularly targeted on interviews like this one with Ted Cruz. He talks about how TikTok is specifically designed to push messages that are harmful to America, including what he calls pro-Hamas content but I suspect is actually anti-Israeli policy, pro-Palestine content. That is why I would argue there's some evidence of a campaign against TikTok in particular that might skip over YouTube or other major platforms. Perhaps the Western powers feel that YouTube is still acceptably moderated towards their interests whereas TikTok isn't. Perhaps Google is just too influential domestically.

Edit: I found a video I was looking for: Biden talking about passing the TikTok/Israel funding/Ukraine funding package. A bit of language he uses that I think is telling is "it continues America’s leadership in the world and everyone knows it" which could signal US dominance as a motivation and thus TikTok as a target and not US companies.

That doesn't mean your point isn't worth discussion, or that my points aren't opinion. I'm interested to see how it develops. I've based my opinion on the conversations I can find and language used, but I'm open to adjusting my view if evidence prompts that.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

I think this ban is completely agnostic re: content. The issue is more fundamental -- it's fully owned and operated by people in China. This is a geopolitical battle that is currently playing out across many industries. Social media grabs headlines where less sexy industry battles do not.

I think Tom Nicholas gives a great overview.

Also, fuck Ted Cruz with a 20 inch dildo. Don't take anything that sniveling carcass has to say seriously.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (3 children)

For one the YouTube algorithm is absolute dog shit compared to TT, which is literally the gold standard at this point.

If you haven't tried, you're seriously missing out. It's legit incredible how good it is. I hardly use it because I prefer long-form content (and don't honestly have much time) but I absolutely can respect what they created

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Kinda like the not-so-unsupported conspiracy theory that musk bought Twitter to silence protest coordination. That Twitter was too useful to the 'masses' and the "sinister cabal" (not my words) said it needed to be taken out.

To reiterate: this is not my position but it is one I've heard that matches the sentiment expressed in the parent comment

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

What we certainly do know is that Musk bought twitter not to enable free speech, but to control speech according to his personal whims and beliefs.

I imagine the Saudi's went in with Musk on the twitter deal to also control and dilute unfavorable speech. The Saudi ruler is the guy that assassinated journalist Jamal Khashoggi on foreign soil because he wasn't exactly a team Saudi ruler kind of guy.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

TikTok is being banned for a bunch of different reasons all added together.

Republicans agreed to it, among the other reasons, because Democrats will get the blame for it and it will hurt Biden at the election.

Republicans and Democrats supported its ban because of sinophobia. It's a big, successful business in America, there's scaremongering around what data it's collecting or ways it could be used to manipulate people's opinions—ByteDance did not do itself any favours by coming out and telling all its American users to tell their Congresspeople to vote against this, which was spun as a demonstration of that power.

They also support the ban as part of an ongoing backlash against "big tech". Republicans are angry at big tech because they think it's too liberal. Democrats are angry at it for being addictive, abusing monopolistic powers, and other quite legitimate issues. The problem is that neither party is very good at actually dealing with the problem, so they just lash out wildly at whatever comes along that looks vaguely tech. Not realising that in this case, that will give way more power to Meta and Alphabet.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 months ago (8 children)

I think the reason it's happening now is because of the growing protest movement against the genocide in Gaza.

All the other US media companies actively sensor pro-Palestine/anti-Israel content and TikTok doesn't. Unacceptable!

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago

Idk why so many people assumed they would its a data gold mine even with the USA blocked

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (14 children)

what does this do to the press freedom index ranking of the united states? nothing im guessing

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 months ago (17 children)

I wonder if Tiktok will just make a seperate company that would comply before the 2025 ban comes to effect...

Or they will just exit the US market, interesting stuff.

I still think Glenn Greenwald views on this topic hold true.

"ByteDance doesn't have any plans to sell TikTok," the company posted on its official account on Toutiao, a social media platform it owns.

The sell-or-ban measure was signed into law by US President Joe Biden on Wednesday.

"We are confident and we will keep fighting for your rights in the courts," said TikTok boss Shou Zi Chew in a video posted on the platform this week.

"The facts, and the Constitution, are on our side... rest assured, we aren't going anywhere."

The Chinese government has also dismissed such concerns as paranoia and has warned that a TikTok ban would "inevitably come back to bite the US".

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Who would ever think I'll side with TikTok...

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (17 children)

Since it hasn’t been mentioned yet; the real reason TikTok is being banned.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Sure. Ignoring that this started in 2020 during Trump's presidency.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I feel like this ban WILL start a monopoly. Since Facebook does the same amount or more data mining than TikTok, Facebook will have to be banned alongside Instagram, making YouTube Shorts a monopoly, as there really isn't any other alternatives that are relevant.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (7 children)

This isn't about privacy or Meta and Google would be slapped too, this is just about the newest boogeyman for americans.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago

They don't care about monopoly. They care about evil China. It doesn't seem to be an issue to strenghten evil Meta and Alphabet.

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