If a president were to attempt to leave NATO there would be a JFK type event orchestrated real quick.
I wouldn't be so optimistic. The U.S. might just work with NATO "in secret".
I didn't mean that in an optimistic way. I just see how important NATO is for the US permanent war economy and can't imagine the capitalists letting that cash cow go without a serious fight. Kennedy was also very likely killed because he wasn't receptive to the permanent war economy. I also don't see a whole lot of secret control happening what with how public weapons deals need to be, and it would be completely obvious when the rest of NATO would just mysteriously do what's in the US capitalist's best interests rather than their own capitalists.
Fair points.
critical support for Trump winning 😄
Yeah, imagine having to be on a side with Bolton the fkn war criminal
Anybody who thinks they have to side with Bolton really needs to do some soul searching.
They are fine with it. What's a few Iraqis to liberals?
exactly, just cost of doing business
I want NATO disbanded, but the reality of the world we live in makes that pretty fuckin risky...
NATO is one of the main risks to continued existence of human civilization at this point.
That's a giant assertion to make without qualification....
It's kinda beside the point. Bolton is talking about the US leaving the organization, not the dissolution of the organization.
What's there to qualify, NATO is an aggressive alliance that continues to expand and invade countries, and now it got itself into a proxy war with a nuclear superpower while already planning to expand into Asia to promote conflict with another nuclear superpower.
Meanwhile, NATO cannot exist as an organization without US who provide pretty much all the military muscle of this gang. The rest of the countries combined have laughable military capacity, especially now that much of it has been sent to burn on the steppes of Ukraine. European industry is collapsing due to high energy costs, and Germany which is the only remaining major industrial power in Europe is deindustrializing as we speak.
There'll never be a day where I'm a Trump supporter; but I can say with confidence that deserting NATO is the only decent thing he'd do in office.
Yeah, I doubt he'd do it, but it's funny seeing actual Republicans being against foreign wars and NATO for what seems like the first time in 30 years.
He usually seems to go with whatever gets the biggest reaction, so who knows, maybe he'll break away and finally start his war on Denmark over Greenland like he always wanted.
Republicans would switch to supporting the war overnight if they were suddenly running it. It wouldn't even be hard -- one Trump tweet along the lines of "now that I'm in charge we'll do this right" and the rank and file would fall in line.
And he acts like that's a bad thing?
This is just Trump and people burned by him infighting in public. These two in particular blame each other for:
Didn't Bolton after being sacked wrote angry book where he accused Trump of being the least bloodthirsty republican like it was the worst betrayal of their ideals ever?
Yes and liberals ate it up despite how dumb Bolton outright says they are in the same book 🤡
House Bolton makes no jokes. Hell, Ramsey was a evil person. They held Winterfell once.
time to pack it up 🥲
This is how out of touch our leadership is that they think this is a scary proposition. The idea of the US leaving NATO has been getting more and more popular for the last few years especially since all the lethal aid to Ukraine started.
Why would Satan leave hell?
Lol as if trump voting base could give a fuck about NATO 😂
