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The Proton Mail macOS and Windows apps are here, with Linux now in beta (lemmy.world)

submitted 8 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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from the team:

Hi everyone,

We’re happy to announce that we’ve now launched the Proton Mail macOS and Windows apps out of beta.

Thanks to your valuable feedback, we’ve added more than 20 new features and fixes from the release of the first beta versions of the apps.

The new Proton Mail desktop apps are here to make your private inbox faster and more productive with:

🌓 Desktop-optimized design that syncs with light & dark mode

📆 Integrated Proton Calendar in app switcher

🎭 Events and hide-my-email aliases in side-panel

🔔 Dedicated app notifications

♻️ Automatic updates for the latest features & security improvements

➕ And much more

🐧If you’re a Linux user, you can join the desktop app beta here:

https://proton.me/support/mail-desktop-app

With the release of the desktop apps, Proton Mail is now available on all major desktop and mobile platforms, offering over 100 million people worldwide a private alternative to Big Tech, regardless of their device.

➡️ Learn more and get the desktop apps here: https://proton.me/blog/proton-mail-desktop-app

Access to the desktop apps is included in all Proton premium plans. Free plans come with a 14-day trial.

As always, we welcome your feedback and we’re grateful for your continuous support.

Stay safe,

Proton team

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

From the team:

Our team is currently working on resolving the connection issues experienced by our Linux users, so the app will be temporarily unavailable. We apologize for the inconvenience.

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It should be fixed.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Ah, looks like an Electron app. Disappointing, but unsurprising.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

They could have at least used Tauri.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I agree, Electron is a nightmare to work with

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Not familiar with Tauri. Guess I'll go google that, but what's your reason for suggesting it as a preferable alternative?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

Tauri uses the system’s native web rendering engine instead of shipping Chromium with the whole app. As a result you get much smaller app bundles (like 10 MB for a complex app), better startup times and less RAM usage. The downside is that you need to do slightly more testing but the end result is worth it.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (4 children)

Could you explain for a layman why this is disappointing?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago

As others said, it's basically chrome bundled with the website code so it looks like an app. And while Electron does offer devs the ability to do things a webapp can't, it still brings the chrome browser engine along with all the inefficient ram usage and potential for security flaws that implies.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 months ago

It’s just the web version wrapped inside an app, not an actual, true, software application.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Plenty of companies started using electron for writing cross platform apps, these apps(electron) use JavaScript engine, which makes it easy to develop these apps but as a tradeoff it uses more system resources than your regular native apps. And when they all do it(discord, vscode, steam etc.) you ask, why the hell do I need these dedicated apps if all they do is just start up a browser? I can just open another tab in firefox or whatever and be done with it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

Electron app

Shame. I do my best to avoid the resource bloat of electron apps whenever possible.

I mean, when my own iron - dual 12-core 24-thread Xeon E5, 128Gb RAM - sees non-trivial impacts from just two or three Electron apps, I do my best to nip that in the bud by avoiding all that crap.

What’s so hard about building a traditional app? With DotNet you could build a single program for all three platforms, and you could bundle DotNet up into that app such that it doesn’t even need a separately-installed sandbox like Java does.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There aren't any great cross platform UI frameworks for .net. There are a few out there, but they are not as robust as what you can do with stuffing a react app into electron.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (1 children)

From what I have seen, AvaloniaUI is getting really close to being the ideal framework for cross-platform desktop use. It has become very polished over the last two years.

MAUI on the other hand, has been falling flat on its face on desktop because it is geared much more towards mobile.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

I'd agree that Avalonia has come a long way in a short time. It has a lot of potential, but there aren't a lot of UI control libraries available yet.

I'm using it for a personal project and it's very good for cross platform consistency. The trouble is that building a good looking UI is still difficult. Some of that is my lack of knowledge, but some is lack of available docs, examples, and community.

Here's hoping they keep growing those things and become a viable alternative.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

As a .net dev I agree this would be ideal, but I don't do UI much these days so I don't know what's out there for frameworks right now.

I do know one thing that's out there in spades tho, and that's "full stack" JS devs. :P That's probably what's "so hard" about building a traditional app.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

And also ironic. Because they're called Proton and they're using Electron to make their app (it's chemistry, ♀️🐶)

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I like Proton, but I've never wanted a desktop app. Thunderbird is great. It's super annoying to need the external connection client. I'd rather they just spent the energy on native Thunderbird support without a second GUI.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

I would prefer they add caldev and carddev to the bridge app so thunderbird can have access to calendar and contacts. I feel that would be better setup for power users, but the integrated desktop app helps normies adopt.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Linux clients are currently only available as .deb or .rpm packages. Just a heads up for folks.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago

Could someone extract them and rebuild it as a Flatpak?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Proton Mail desktop app officially launches, but remains for premium subscribers only

Encrypted email service Proton Mail is now available via a dedicated desktop app some three months after first arriving in beta.

Reposting as a comment since post got removed.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Doesn't work for me at all on Ubuntu, but nice to see they're finally getting a Linux client out.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Could you report that to the support team please?

https://proton.me/support/contact

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

Just sent my logs, thanks

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

It should be fixed. Can you try again?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

Late to reply but the issue was fixed.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 months ago

Will they publish on flathub?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

Since it’s just an Electron app, any luck we’ll get that UI on tablets? The iPad app is just a larger iPhone app, it kinda sucks.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago

Tried the app (Windows).

Firstly, it uses lots of CPU on a pretty powerful machine (7945hx). It at least takes 1-3% idling and up to 40-60% while doing basic tasks.

Secondly, I haven't found jack shit related to background processing for notifications and updates. Wouldn't this be the primary reason to have an app - to get status updates immediately?

Thirdly, it's just a web version with exactly the same UI, exactly the same settings and so on. It literally works better in Firefox than the app itself.

I don't see any reason to use the app over web version in a browser. No, really.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

I don't understand who the email apps are for, installing the website as a PWA is a better experience.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Not a Firefox user, eh?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Don't get me started on Firefox PWAs.

I use Firefox, but I have to use a different browser for PWAs, it sucks. If I'm lucky, Epiphany works with that website, otherwise I have to use some Chromium browser. Bleh.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

I did that for a while but the links in the PWA kept opening in that browser instead of Firefox. That's why I prefer to use Electron apps, because links open in FF.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Any chance of being able to double click to open a message in a new window? The messages are getting cutoff in the client on MACOS unless I maximize the window.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

Do we like this over bridge? That hasn’t been halve bad on Mac.

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