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No, you still can, it'll just be much easier to recover from.

This is a nonsense talking point, what exactly can't you do with root access on bazzite that you can do on a non-immutable?

the answer: nothing

I have, I simply disagree with your conclusions.

No, the machine will and so would a conscious one. you misunderstand. This isn't an area where a conscious machine wins.

Tell me, if consciousness prevents this, why did humans do it?

These have been listed repeatedly: love, think, understand, contemplate, discover, aspire, lead, philosophize, etc.

these are not tasks except maybe philosophize and discover, which even current models can do... heck google is using old shitty ones to do it...

https://deepmind.google/discover/blog/alphaevolve-a-gemini-powered-coding-agent-for-designing-advanced-algorithms/

I said a task, not a feeling, a task is a manipulation of the world to achieve a goal, not something vague and undefinable like love.

We want a machine that can tell us what to do, instead.

theres no such thing, there's no objective right answer to this in the first place, it's not like a conscious being we know of can do this, why would a conscious machine be able to? This is just you asking the impossible, consciousness would not help even the tiniest bit with this problem. you have to say "what to do to achieve x" for it to have meaning, which these machines could do without solving the hard problem of consciousness at all.

yet again you fail to name one valuable aspect of solving consciousness. You keep saying we need the hard problem of consciousness solved for agi but can't name even one way in which it provides a functional improvement to anything.

Why do you expect an unthinking, non-deliberative zombie process to know what you mean by “empower humanity”? There are facts about what is GOOD and what is BAD that can only be grasped through subjective experience.

these cannot be grasped by subjective experience, and I would say nothing can possibly achieve this, not any human at all, the best we can do is poll humanity and go by approximates, which I believe is best handled by something automatic. humans can't answer these questions in the first place, why should I trust something without subjective experience to do it any worse?

When you tell it to reduce harm, how do you know it won’t undertake a course of eugenics?

because this is unpopular, there are many things online saying not to... do you think humans are immune to this? When has consciousness ever prevented such an outcome?

How do you know it won’t see fit that people like you, by virtue of your stupidity, are culled or sterilized?

we don't, but we also don't with conscious beings, so there's still no stated advantage to consciousness.

You don't understand the claims you're making if you can't explain them. Try again this time actually explaining yourself rather than just going "some guy said I'm right", you keep doing that without engaging with the discussion, and you keep assuming the guy verified your claim when they actually verified an irrelevant one.

Yeah am I missing something here??

Wayland is so goddamn close, this is the only app I'm waiting for before I can get rid of xwayland besides steam/proton

Hilarious chaos is widely regarded as a nazi server, so it has a lot of defeds, they post a lot of antitrans content and it's not against the rules, you may want to try another instance.