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Arming Taiwan is an Insane Provocation: For the Sake of Our Survival it Must Stop (www.counterpunch.org)
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[+] -37 points 3 years ago (37 children)

John V. Walsh seems to have a boner for everything China and Russia, and a hate boner for the US. Apparently the US is even responsible for Russia's invasion of Ukraine

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  • [–] 31 points 3 years ago (16 children)

    Apparently the US is even responsible for Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

    What was the Maidan coup?

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  • [+] -26 points 3 years ago (15 children)

    What coup? Yanukovich was removed by the democratically-elected Ukrainian Parliament in a floor vote after he fled the country. Ukrainians are the ones who did all of this. What do you think the US did? I know what Russia did, starting here:

    The protests were sparked by President Viktor Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement, instead choosing closer ties to Russia and the Eurasian Economic Union. Ukraine's parliament had overwhelmingly approved of finalizing the Agreement with the EU, but Russia had put pressure on Ukraine to reject it.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    What do you think the US did?

    Are you saying the U$ had no influence on the Maidan coup?

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  • [+] -25 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    Still waiting for a description of US involvement from someone

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  • [–] 26 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children)

    Still waiting for a description of US involvement from someone.

    Dawg it's in the fucking Wikipedia article. Your own side admits U$ involvement in the Maidan.

    How do you not know your own lines?

    *You got banned so I can't see your replies in the grad. It's in the "revolution of dignity" wiki article.

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    The Nuland call where they discuss who their pick for the leader of Ukraine is, and the operations they are undertaking to put them into power.

    You’re a fucking moron. Willingly ignorant, or purposefully cruel. 5 minutes of research could answer your question.

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  • [+] 21 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)
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  • [+] -22 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    The choice Yanukovich made was in direct contradiction with what the democratically-elected Ukrainian Parliament had been "overwhelmingly" working toward. You think Yanukovich unilaterally scrapping that work, ignoring the will of the Ukrainian people, and reorienting toward Russia was beneficial, so how was it beneficial?

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  • [+] 22 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)
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  • [+] -18 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    So your argument is "Ha!"?

    You still haven't said anything about how the US was involved in Euromaidan

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  • [–] 23 points 3 years ago

    US funded the Euromaidan protests.

    https://mronline.org/2022/03/08/national-endowment-for-democracy-deletes-records-of-funding-projects-in-ukraine/

    The larger point is that you have to be a gullible idiot or malicious NATO shill to not presume that regime change on Russia's doorstep just happens organically without American involvement. USA's footprint in all of Europe since WW2 has been massive and the ones who don't see it are usually the ones too busy licking the boot.

    Now go troll some other instance.

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago

    but Russia had put pressure on Ukraine to reject it.

    I can't go into a Pizza Hut without being upsold garlic bread. Of course Russia pressured Ukraine to accept deals in it's favour.

    Do you think Russia was the only one putting pressure on Ukraine to sign an agreement? Forget about all the rest of it for a minute: do you really think the US and EU abstain from making any attempts to 'encourage' others to sign their agreements?

    The NATO alliance turned prosperous Libya to rubble for the mere suggestion that it would start trading in is own currency.

    (PS Don't worry everyone, I don't really go to pizza hut! The local pizza place has compromising photos of me and the one that pizza hut has of me shitting on a certain famous portrait just doesn't scare me as much. Release it, I tell them, you can't scare me into buying a salad bowl.)

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  • [+] 10 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (18 children)
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  • [+] -20 points 3 years ago (17 children)

    Fox News is pretty pro-Russia and often anti-US foreign policy these days, you're pretty far off base

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  • [+] -20 points 3 years ago (14 children)

    Let me guess, you think Russia's doing a great thing in Ukraine

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  • [+] 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (13 children)
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  • [+] -16 points 3 years ago (12 children)

    Russia is far right lol

    I'm concerned you think Russia is still communist based on your post history...

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  • [+] -14 points 3 years ago (10 children)

    How is Ukraine fascist? Do you think Russia is fascist? Do you think Russia is communist?

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  • [+] 14 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children)
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  • [+] -12 points 3 years ago (8 children)

    You have all these opinions that seem to be completely hollow...I'm all ears for different perspectives but you've given me nothing but cynicism and dismissal

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  • [+] -15 points 3 years ago* (6 children)

    Russia isn't even remotely a Marxist state, and here you are on a Marxist instance defending the state capitalist Russia and telling me I'm the one who doesn't belong here. And using a "do your own research" copout after you're the one who engaged me in conversation

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  • [–] 16 points 3 years ago* (4 children)

    Nobody here thinks Russia is marxist. We do think your appraisal of the situation that has unfolded in Ukraine over the years is incorrect and an uncritical repeating western propaganda. The manner in which you have gone about it here makes me suspect that you are acting in bad faith. These factors combined are probably why you are being dismissed.

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  • [+] -12 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    You haven't provided anything, not even reasoning to your statement. The only one in bad faith is you.

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  • [–] 8 points 3 years ago

    Whether or not they are responsible, they are still funding it and providing arms. I don't see any boner in the article, in my opinion it is argued well and without bias. This provocation is good for absolutely no one (apart from maybe the leading political powers and military industrial lobby). If something like this goes off, it will just mean death and destruction across the globe. To me, it seems like this is caused by the US' exceptionalism. They feel they can put military bases wherever they want, regardless of how it affects those areas. Surely, that is not fair.

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