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[+] protist@mander.xyz -26 points 3 years ago (15 children)

What coup? Yanukovich was removed by the democratically-elected Ukrainian Parliament in a floor vote after he fled the country. Ukrainians are the ones who did all of this. What do you think the US did? I know what Russia did, starting here:

The protests were sparked by President Viktor Yanukovych's sudden decision not to sign the European Union–Ukraine Association Agreement, instead choosing closer ties to Russia and the Eurasian Economic Union. Ukraine's parliament had overwhelmingly approved of finalizing the Agreement with the EU, but Russia had put pressure on Ukraine to reject it.

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[–] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 years ago (6 children)

What do you think the US did?

Are you saying the U$ had no influence on the Maidan coup?

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[+] protist@mander.xyz -25 points 3 years ago (5 children)

Still waiting for a description of US involvement from someone

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[–] simply_surprise@lemmygrad.ml 26 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children)

Still waiting for a description of US involvement from someone.

Dawg it's in the fucking Wikipedia article. Your own side admits U$ involvement in the Maidan.

How do you not know your own lines?

*You got banned so I can't see your replies in the grad. It's in the "revolution of dignity" wiki article.

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[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 years ago

They cannot admit maidan was an US coup because their entire narrative of the war hinges on this.

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[–] 201dberg@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 3 years ago*

They would get reprimanded by their superior officer for admitting it. They probably have a list on their cubicle wall of what they are and are not allowed to say.

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[–] ComradeSalad@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

The Nuland call where they discuss who their pick for the leader of Ukraine is, and the operations they are undertaking to put them into power.

You’re a fucking moron. Willingly ignorant, or purposefully cruel. 5 minutes of research could answer your question.

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[+] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

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[+] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children)

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[+] protist@mander.xyz -22 points 3 years ago (5 children)

The choice Yanukovich made was in direct contradiction with what the democratically-elected Ukrainian Parliament had been "overwhelmingly" working toward. You think Yanukovich unilaterally scrapping that work, ignoring the will of the Ukrainian people, and reorienting toward Russia was beneficial, so how was it beneficial?

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[+] rjs001@lemmygrad.ml 22 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

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[+] protist@mander.xyz -18 points 3 years ago (1 child)

So your argument is "Ha!"?

You still haven't said anything about how the US was involved in Euromaidan

https://mronline.org/2022/03/08/national-endowment-for-democracy-deletes-records-of-funding-projects-in-ukraine/

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[–] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 23 points 3 years ago

US funded the Euromaidan protests.

The larger point is that you have to be a gullible idiot or malicious NATO shill to not presume that regime change on Russia's doorstep just happens organically without American involvement. USA's footprint in all of Europe since WW2 has been massive and the ones who don't see it are usually the ones too busy licking the boot.

Now go troll some other instance.

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[+] nervvves@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago)

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[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 15 points 3 years ago

It wouldn't have led to a massively destructive war, for a start.

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[–] redtea@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 3 years ago

but Russia had put pressure on Ukraine to reject it.

I can't go into a Pizza Hut without being upsold garlic bread. Of course Russia pressured Ukraine to accept deals in it's favour.

Do you think Russia was the only one putting pressure on Ukraine to sign an agreement? Forget about all the rest of it for a minute: do you really think the US and EU abstain from making any attempts to 'encourage' others to sign their agreements?

The NATO alliance turned prosperous Libya to rubble for the mere suggestion that it would start trading in is own currency.

(PS Don't worry everyone, I don't really go to pizza hut! The local pizza place has compromising photos of me and the one that pizza hut has of me shitting on a certain famous portrait just doesn't scare me as much. Release it, I tell them, you can't scare me into buying a salad bowl.)