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Grover Furr literally said this. (hexbear.net)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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He literally said this, guys!

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...Literally!

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Furr doesn’t get traction because he’s writing in the Anglosphere and historiography of the USSR in English speaking nations is strictly tied to the ideological preferences of the USA and the UK.

In non-English Europe you see a lot more nuanced takes and positions that are positive or rehabilitative of Stalin have more currency, although less in the past decade with the rise of European nationalism and the neoliberal takeover.

But for example Losurdo is basically the Grover Furr of the non-English speaking European academic world and while he isn’t considered mainstream he isn’t treated like a crank the way Furr is either.

Furr being treated as a crank has more to do with the fact capitalist / neoliberal triumphalism is the dominant ideology of Anglosphere historiography than it has to do with Furr.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Losurdo isn't treated as a crank because he doesn't say crank stuff like whatever this meme is referencing, or "Stalin never committed one single crime," etc.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I have yet to find one crime — yet to find one crime — that Stalin committed. I know they all say he killed 20, 30, 40 million people — it is bullshit... Goebbels said that the Big Lie is successful and this is the Big Lie: that the Communists — that Stalin killed millions of people and that socialism is no good.

The full quote makes it pretty clear he’s refuting the double holocaust theory, and the context was a debate where his opponent claimed 100-150 million were killed by the communists.

The quote isn’t actually denying Stalin robbed trains in Tsarist Georgia, that the Bolsheviks shot the Romanov children, that the gulags were a pretty unpleasant place to be (although this too is greatly exaggerated), and his work fully acknowledges that the Bolsheviks were Leninists who saw violence as a tool for revolutionary political change.

You’re forming an opinion on Grove from a cherry-picked quote, taken out of context to intentionally misrepresent his actual views.

Look at his “purge” and “show trial” series for example. Grove is a serious historian and his presentation of facts is thorough and clear eyed.

https://espressostalinist.com/the-real-stalin-series/party-purges/

His “crank” status is based on quote mining, and even then it’s really this one quote. Selectively just one half of one quote, that is.

If he was really a crank then they would be attacking his work instead of an cuff comment taken out of context, made while being harangued by some Black Book of Communism shit.

Plucking a sentence from the middle of a a fucking accurate comment like that doesn’t make him a crank, it makes his opponents hacks.