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[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

[...] react very quickly to increased demand. You categorically cannot do that with nuclear, where did you learn this?

This is not correct.

A Brief Survey of Load-Following Capabilities in Modern Nuclear Power Plants

Load-following NPPs in France claim power output ramps as much as 5%/min if necessary, though typical ramps are kept below 1.5%/min.

Certain French NPPs routinely decrease power output 50% at night.

It's true that load-following is mostly not done with nuclear in the US, but this is policy/common practice/habit, not a technical limitation of nuclear power plants.

Also, I mentioned pumped hydro storage to point out specifically that battery technology really isn't effective enough yet. It still doesn't scale well, it's too expensive for large grids.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

thanks for sharing this!

hilarious to see the other guy doubling down even after you cited an actual source.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is not correct.

It is, you just proved it yourself:

"typical ramps are kept below 1.5%/min."

Compare that with batteries or pumped hydro.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

That's plenty fast enough for a power grid.

1.5% of 900MW is 13.5MW. That's plenty of power output scaling per minute.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I think you're getting peaker plants, e.g gas fired confused with load following.

Nuclear plants are not used as peaker plants. you incorrectly stated that they are.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's a shame that you're being voted down here, even though your points are actually more on the factual side. Well, that's probably the fate of those who "dare" to say something against nuclear. Even if everyone else demonstrably doesn't have a clue about the subject: They're still bashing it. It's just good that downvotes on Lemmy don't really matter.