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So what are the libs going to do? Become full-throated fascists?

No, they're going to remain what they are - the polite fascists. They do all the same policies, just as civil, adults in the room, making hard decisions, coming together to get things done

The voters do believe that and many try to be that to some extent.

But they give carte blanche to lib politicians, almost all of whom (at the national level) are basically indistinguishable from conservatives of 10 years ago, in part due to what Kaplya describes; they are trying to outflank conservatives from the right, as they always have, but as conservatives get more and more unhinged, so too do dems shift further and further out. And voters desperately try to justify it all, because they don't know what else they can do besides vote.

Look at the rhetoric around immigration now, just 10-15 years ago it was about having sanctuary cities and how inhumane Bush had done it, now liberal politicians just flat out tell the press that 'we have border problems' and 'we need to securitize it', literally 3-5 years or less after they talked about how deranged Trump had been when he was doing the exact same stuff.

Talk to your average Democrat. Go and speak to them or listen to what they have to say. And I don't mean voter, I mean person in the party. They are already there.

So what are the libs going to do? Become full-throated fascists?

The Holocaust wouldn’t have happened if the millions and millions of German libs hadn’t stayed quiet (and even actively collaborated) while the Nazis were shipping Jews and other minorities to the concentration camps.

At the end of the day, you know where the libs will stand. History has already taught us this lesson.

They’re probably genuinely good people when you meet them in person, but that doesn’t mean they won’t stay silent (or even secretly report you to the authorities, because that’s the “right thing to do”) while the fascists are rounding people up. You’ll probably get a “I’m so sorry this is happening” pity from them as you’re being executed.

Maybe some of them, but I find it extremely difficult to believe that American bourgeoisie, conservative or not, would consider an alliance with Russia a worthwhile investment.

In many ways, Russia is a direct competitor to the US.

Russia’s military equipment and technology sales threatens the profit margin of US military industrial complex. Russian oil and gas directly compete with the American fossil fuel sector. Russia has developed its own agricultural export sector that could alleviate food insecurity in the Global South, and while it is still not as well developed, still provided a cheap alternative food source to the American ag giants.

But that’s not even the worst yet. Profit margin is one thing, Europe has directly benefited from cheap Russian energy and raw materials which have been instrumental in developing a very competitive tech sector, and in turn allowed the Europeans to compete with the American tech industries. This is bad news for the American capitalists.

And a strong Europe with secured energy and raw material source from Russia is a much bigger threat to the US than Russia ever could be, because what if Europe decides to throw their weight behind China and take down the US empire together? A Europe-Russia-China alliance would have been the worst nightmare for the American imperialists.

Once you see all these connections, then it made sense why Ukraine has to happen. Fighting Russia is really just a side step to prevent Europe from shifting its weight and mutual dependence towards China. That strategic goal is pretty much achieved by this point, even though they had failed to destroy Russia.

The ghoulish part here is that they somehow managed to also turn the Ukraine war into a money making scheme where the war is deliberately prolonged, sacrificing countless Ukrainian and Russian lives just to make their profits grow.