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I doubt the existence of people who deny every Socialist state as Socialist. I agree with people who say the Nazis weren't Socialist despite calling themselves as such, because they were fascists that relied on privitization and Capitalism, but I'm sure that wasn't your point.
I'm eager to read what countries do you think are actually socialistic. Give me a list please.
Why? You just trying to pick a fight? Kinda cringe. No matter what I'd answer you'd start shit.
You tried to accuse me of equivocating Nazis with socialists. Now urn saying I am the one who is trying to pick fight?
I asked the list of countries in order to provide with socialist critics of that specific countries.
Nah. Just state what you actually mean by your first comment, and we are good to go.
That all attempts to implement socialism in real life ended badly. But to be generous, I will concede that I meant mainly marxist-leninist types if socialism.
Great, thanks for actually answering. You're wrong, of course, but thanks for actually answering, again. Good on you.
Socialism, ie worker ownership of the Means of Production, has had massive success in stability and worker satisfaction for Worker Co-operatives when compared to their Capitalist competitors.
Libertarian style Socialism has been successful in areas like the Chiapas region.
Even Marxism-Leninism has drastically improved metrics such as literacy and life expectancy in the major areas it was applied, such as the USSR and Maoist China, Cuba, etc. despite issues with how democracy was handled with upper Soviets having immense power.
I'm more of an Anarchist, personally, but the statement that "Socialism has always ended poorly" is just wrong. The most major example of a Socialist state falling is of course the USSR, which had a number of internal issues that ultimately didn't arise because workers owned the Means of production, but because as a developing country, they wanted access to global trade for luxury commodities from western countries, which led to liberalization and now the current fascism in the Russian Federation is a direct result of these Capitalists swooping in and purchasing everything they could, leading to what liberals call "Oligarchy."
Even then, the USSR doubled life expectancy, and the majority of Russians want it back, when compared to modern fascism in Russia.
On Lemmy, you'll find that most people generally accept that Marxism-Leninism is Socialism, even if they firmly disagree with it. You'll also find Marxist-Leninists on other instances like lemmygrad or hexbear, but you'll find it's usually Anarchists outside of that.
Wait so what's your example of a functioning socialist state/economy? You mention the USSR, Maoist China, Cuba and the Chiapas. Which of these do you consider a success?