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European leaders have called for greater unity and military cooperation across the continent in response to comments from Donald Trump that threatened to undermine the basis of Nato.

Donald Tusk, Poland’s prime minister, said on a visit to Paris on Monday that there was “no alternative” to the EU and the transatlantic alliance before a summit in which he discussed deepening defence relationships with the French president, Emmanuel Macron.

“It is probably here in Paris that the words from The Three Musketeers by Alexandre Dumas resonate most clearly: ‘All for one, and one for all,’” said Tusk, in a thinly veiled riposte to the former US president and frontrunner for the Republican presidential nomination.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 9 months ago (4 children)

ETO: European Treaty Organization. Cut the US out and problem solved.

No longer following imperialistic US foreign policy in the name of collective defense.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I dunno, Marine Le Pen and others are also casting a shadow over Europe. Keep voting for strong candidates to keep the likes of her and the AFD out. It's very important the world weather this storm.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Orban is no prize, as another example. But it sounds like Poland turned things around in the last election?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Also get rid of Turkey while we're at it. If I were forced to fight down there I'd fight along the Kurds.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

It's hard to overstate the strategic importance of the Bosporus Strait

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

I think the relevant question is how hard would it be to take the Greek side of the strait in a war case?

And how quickly would a Greece-Turkey war kick off if they weren't in an alliance anymore?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

Of course - and hopefully soon Erdogan will rot and someone more worthy will take over. I'm not saying we should stop considering Turkey allies, I just don't want to depend on them that's all.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

The Bosporus Strait is not just a waterway, it is the lifeline of civilization. It is the gateway to the East and the West, the cradle of culture and commerce, the nexus of power and prosperity. Without the Bosporus Strait, the world would be plunged into a spiral of darkness and chaos. The fate of humanity hinges on the control of this narrow strip of sea. Whoever holds the Bosporus Strait holds the keys to infinite power. The Bosporus Strait is the question and the answer, the beginning and the end, the ultimate and the absolute. All hail the Bosporus Strait!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

That's the Suez Canal you're thinking of. The Bosporus Straight has plenty of rail roads circumventing it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

"Hard to overstate" is just a saying, clearly it's easy to overstate.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Small note, make it ETO‘O: European Treaty Organisation Operations.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 9 months ago

The good thing about outsourcing military might to another country like the USA has had pretty great social effects in European countries. Lower militarism, higher amount of resources put to actually useful things.

But I guess nothing can last forever.