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Biden says he'll shut down the border if deal gives him authority
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Can someone explain to me why the border shouldn’t be closed except to legal travel?
Because it sounds to me like illegal travel SHOULD be stopped. People immigrating illegally are working for super low wages, increasing supply of labor and therefore lowering demand. It’s bad for workers. I know people say “Americans won’t do those jobs” but that’s because they are paying nothing since they can get highly desperate exploitable people. Labor should be on the side of restricted immigration.
Note I’m not talking about asylum, but the USA shouldn’t be the only place people go for asylum. It’s my impression that most immigrants are economic anyways.
The border is already closed to illegal travel, that's why such travel is illegal.
The border is not impenetrable - it is over a thousand miles of mostly difficult terrain - and enforcing entry requirements is difficult for those reasons.
The single most effective way to reduce illegal immigration is to punish businesses for employing illegal immigrants. As with everything else, as long as a market exists then there will be an economic incentive to break the law. This is true for drugs, prostitution, Russian oil, etc.
The federal government essentially enables the employment of migrants because many industries, particularly food harvesting and processing, could not operate without this labor. The consequence of the choice to not punish these companies is more migrants seeking the same economic opportunity.
Fix the problem at that end and illegal border crossings will drop dramatically.
Fantastic point, that’s really interesting about removing incentive. I agree, thank you for your reply.
awhile back a few states like florida, i think maybe georgia attempted to prevent all immigrant access.. and guess what... crops went rotting in the fields.
so these redneck states require immigrant labor, but at the same time make sure that no immigrant has access to any resources to a. survive on and b. migrate to the u.s. permanently.
I agree with everything you said and that still begs the question: What does “close the border” even mean then in this context? It’s just a pointless platitude.
In a nutshell they've let themselves become a wedge issue because they're dumb and easily manipulated
Ironically, Desantis actually did this and got mocked for it by everyone for making the "cheap labor" in his state illegal. Notably, I never found a single discussion about how that cheap labor is only cheap because it's achieved through the exploitation of migrants with the (usually) unstated threat of deportation.
And of course Desantis didn't pass the law for those reasons either, but it was striking to me how it never entered the national discussion.
Because "closing the border" is a nonsense statement that doesn't account for the reality of the border abd its size. Thousands of miles of border means it is nearly impossible to patrol even a small fraction of it.
People working for super low wages is a product of policy and exploitation. Making it easy and legal to immigrate for work is the right answer, as is enforcing labor law.
Closing the border is part of the verbiage of the proposed immigration bill. For instance, a closing would take effect if there are 8,500 migrant encounters in a single day.
We can close official crossings as much as we like, but it will do little to stop people immigrating. I'm guessing that this is targeted at southern crossings, too, as I doubt the govt is seriously considering turning people away in airports or up north.
I've read what insiders say is in the compromise, but can't say for sure. But, apparently after a certain amount of daily encounters, the border patrol shuts down the border and removes immigrants and deports them. No, I don't think the Canadian border or airline traffic is accounted for, which is kind of stupid.
Or legal crossings, which remain the easiest way to enter and stay. Enter the US for a vacation, simply... fail to go home. That neatly avoids the whole sneaking in issue entirely.
I can't say I'm surprised at this, given that Biden has never been particularly pro-immigration beyond lip service. I am, however, disappointed.
There is no good reason except to create an underclass that provdes cheap labor. You know, like in 1860.