▲ 751 ▼ Kenneth Smith ‘struggled for life’ for 22 minutes in Alabama nitrogen gas execution: Updates (www.independent.co.uk) submitted 2 years ago by some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org to c/news@lemmy.world 581 comments fedilink hide all child comments “Kenny just began to gasp for air repeatedly and the execution took about 25 minutes total.” Pretty compassionate way to kill a person. Once again, the Law in the south is brutal.
[–] cristo@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago (2 children) That is a really bad idea permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Dkarma@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago Welcome to government. permalink fedilink source parent [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Okay. What do you believe the purpose of states and nations is? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cristo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) To represent the interests of the people on an inter and intra national level. Not to have a monopoly on violence. If only the cops/military have the ability to enact force both legally and practically, it will be abused. We can see that all over the United States and the world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Representing the interests of people is the purpose of governments, not nations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cristo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Has there ever been a nation without a government? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Perhaps not, but there are governments without nations. The EU or the UN, for instance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cristo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago One can argue that the EU is a nation itself. It has a common defense force, no hard borders within its member states, a common currency, and a defined territory. But then again, thats only within the Shengen zone. The EU is similar to the USA in that aspect, meaning that there are multiple states which make up a single total nation. The UN is a supranational organization, not really a government without a nation because even its member states can just ignore everything the UN rules on. It has no real authority. While the UN does have a peacekeeping force, it is not the same as the EUs standing military. The UN and NATO are more similar to eachother than the UN and the EU. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Okay. What do you believe the purpose of states and nations is? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cristo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) To represent the interests of the people on an inter and intra national level. Not to have a monopoly on violence. If only the cops/military have the ability to enact force both legally and practically, it will be abused. We can see that all over the United States and the world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Representing the interests of people is the purpose of governments, not nations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cristo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Has there ever been a nation without a government? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Perhaps not, but there are governments without nations. The EU or the UN, for instance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cristo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago One can argue that the EU is a nation itself. It has a common defense force, no hard borders within its member states, a common currency, and a defined territory. But then again, thats only within the Shengen zone. The EU is similar to the USA in that aspect, meaning that there are multiple states which make up a single total nation. The UN is a supranational organization, not really a government without a nation because even its member states can just ignore everything the UN rules on. It has no real authority. While the UN does have a peacekeeping force, it is not the same as the EUs standing military. The UN and NATO are more similar to eachother than the UN and the EU. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cristo@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) To represent the interests of the people on an inter and intra national level. Not to have a monopoly on violence. If only the cops/military have the ability to enact force both legally and practically, it will be abused. We can see that all over the United States and the world. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Representing the interests of people is the purpose of governments, not nations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cristo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Has there ever been a nation without a government? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Perhaps not, but there are governments without nations. The EU or the UN, for instance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cristo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago One can argue that the EU is a nation itself. It has a common defense force, no hard borders within its member states, a common currency, and a defined territory. But then again, thats only within the Shengen zone. The EU is similar to the USA in that aspect, meaning that there are multiple states which make up a single total nation. The UN is a supranational organization, not really a government without a nation because even its member states can just ignore everything the UN rules on. It has no real authority. While the UN does have a peacekeeping force, it is not the same as the EUs standing military. The UN and NATO are more similar to eachother than the UN and the EU. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Representing the interests of people is the purpose of governments, not nations. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cristo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Has there ever been a nation without a government? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Perhaps not, but there are governments without nations. The EU or the UN, for instance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cristo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago One can argue that the EU is a nation itself. It has a common defense force, no hard borders within its member states, a common currency, and a defined territory. But then again, thats only within the Shengen zone. The EU is similar to the USA in that aspect, meaning that there are multiple states which make up a single total nation. The UN is a supranational organization, not really a government without a nation because even its member states can just ignore everything the UN rules on. It has no real authority. While the UN does have a peacekeeping force, it is not the same as the EUs standing military. The UN and NATO are more similar to eachother than the UN and the EU. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cristo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) Has there ever been a nation without a government? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Perhaps not, but there are governments without nations. The EU or the UN, for instance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cristo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago One can argue that the EU is a nation itself. It has a common defense force, no hard borders within its member states, a common currency, and a defined territory. But then again, thats only within the Shengen zone. The EU is similar to the USA in that aspect, meaning that there are multiple states which make up a single total nation. The UN is a supranational organization, not really a government without a nation because even its member states can just ignore everything the UN rules on. It has no real authority. While the UN does have a peacekeeping force, it is not the same as the EUs standing military. The UN and NATO are more similar to eachother than the UN and the EU. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Perhaps not, but there are governments without nations. The EU or the UN, for instance. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] cristo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago One can argue that the EU is a nation itself. It has a common defense force, no hard borders within its member states, a common currency, and a defined territory. But then again, thats only within the Shengen zone. The EU is similar to the USA in that aspect, meaning that there are multiple states which make up a single total nation. The UN is a supranational organization, not really a government without a nation because even its member states can just ignore everything the UN rules on. It has no real authority. While the UN does have a peacekeeping force, it is not the same as the EUs standing military. The UN and NATO are more similar to eachother than the UN and the EU. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cristo@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago One can argue that the EU is a nation itself. It has a common defense force, no hard borders within its member states, a common currency, and a defined territory. But then again, thats only within the Shengen zone. The EU is similar to the USA in that aspect, meaning that there are multiple states which make up a single total nation. The UN is a supranational organization, not really a government without a nation because even its member states can just ignore everything the UN rules on. It has no real authority. While the UN does have a peacekeeping force, it is not the same as the EUs standing military. The UN and NATO are more similar to eachother than the UN and the EU. permalink fedilink source parent