▲ 1426 ▼ More Gen Z Americans identify as LGBTQ than as Republican (www.thepinknews.com) submitted 2 years ago by _number8_@lemmy.world to c/news@lemmy.world 502 comments fedilink hide all child comments let's gooo
[–] WanderingVentra@lemm.ee 11 points 2 years ago* (7 children) 28% seems huge, though. Are there any other animals like that? I'm kind of confused how it's that high even with acceptance lol. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 14 child comments replies: [–] vind@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (2 children) Most male dogs hump your leg regardless of who you are permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Corgana@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* Male ducks will even do necrophilia with other males. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 24_at_the_withers@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) I get your point, but "most"? I've had 5 male dogs of my own over 40-ish years, and have known or met many, many others and I've never once had my leg humped. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago Most (male dogs that hump) permalink fedilink source parent [–] vind@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Maybe they don't think you're hot enough /s permalink fedilink source parent [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (3 children) It’s mostly bisexuals. You know like Julius Caesar, Alexander of Macedon, and large swaths of people in cultures where same gender romance or sex is acceptable in certain circumstances so long as you also marry and have children. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago Julius Caesar, described by a contemporary as "Every woman's man, and every man's woman" We stan a bicon in this house permalink fedilink source parent [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Is there data to back that claim up? Not arguing but also something I hadn't heard before. That there has been an absolutely massive increase in # of people identifying as bi and that that is the majority of LGBTQ+ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I can’t recall any off the top of my head and it’s definitely anecdotally been my experience as someone who came out about a decade ago and has been a geek about queer history for about that long. Like there are definitely more homosexuals and a lot more open trans people (but trans people are estimated at absolute highest to be 1% of the population, and more realistic high end estimates last I checked are .3%-.5%), but bi folks have been coming out of the woodwork. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Welt@lazysoci.al 1 point 2 years ago Shakespeare too permalink fedilink source parent [–] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes. Bonobos. Human appear to be about halfway between chimps and bonobos on the primate spectrum. The violence of chimps combined with the fluid sexual social habits of bonobos lol https://phys.org/news/2019-09-insights-same-sex-sexual-interactions-important.amp permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago The article pointed out that the same sex encounters were only high for females, idk if that’s that similar to humans. permalink fedilink source parent [–] drdiddlybadger@pawb.social 19 points 2 years ago We are the only animal with cultural locks on gender expression. If we didn't have such hang ups about gender norms we would not really notice someone being LGBT. Paradoxically the more regressive and strict people are about gender roles the more people you have that don't fit within those gender roles. permalink fedilink source parent [–] spaduf@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Theres long been a camp that argues the vast majority of people are bisexual (myself included). That's also where pretty much all of the recent growth comes from. Interestingly, most of that comes from bisexual women, while bisexual men consistently self report at levels lower than gay men. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are lots of men who identify as straight but have sex with other men. So much so that medical literature often uses MSM as a category instead of gay. There’s an entire DL subculture among African American men. Anywhere you go you can download Grindr and find oodles of guys who are in heterosexual marriages. The stigma is pretty strong, they probably can’t even internally recognize themselves as somewhat bisexual. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spaduf@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago* This is particularly relevant as it relates to how silly this topic and its reactions are. We absolutely KNOW that the current number is an undercount, and yet it's still really hard for people to grasp that the percentage is that high. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Syrc@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I mean, sexuality is a spectrum. It’s statistically unlikely that a large part of the population is at the exact borders of the spectrum and not even slightly in between. Especially since afaik physical attraction is just a matter of appearance, and there’s very masculine women or very feminine men. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago Part acceptance, part widening the net of what's included in the category. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Nonameuser678@aussie.zone 4 points 2 years ago Bonobos permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vind@lemmy.world 31 points 2 years ago (2 children) Most male dogs hump your leg regardless of who you are permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Corgana@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* Male ducks will even do necrophilia with other males. permalink fedilink source parent [–] 24_at_the_withers@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) I get your point, but "most"? I've had 5 male dogs of my own over 40-ish years, and have known or met many, many others and I've never once had my leg humped. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago Most (male dogs that hump) permalink fedilink source parent [–] vind@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Maybe they don't think you're hot enough /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Corgana@startrek.website 4 points 2 years ago* Male ducks will even do necrophilia with other males. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] 24_at_the_withers@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children) I get your point, but "most"? I've had 5 male dogs of my own over 40-ish years, and have known or met many, many others and I've never once had my leg humped. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago Most (male dogs that hump) permalink fedilink source parent [–] vind@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Maybe they don't think you're hot enough /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] JackbyDev@programming.dev 3 points 2 years ago Most (male dogs that hump) permalink fedilink source parent
[–] vind@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Maybe they don't think you're hot enough /s permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 30 points 2 years ago (3 children) It’s mostly bisexuals. You know like Julius Caesar, Alexander of Macedon, and large swaths of people in cultures where same gender romance or sex is acceptable in certain circumstances so long as you also marry and have children. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] PugJesus@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago Julius Caesar, described by a contemporary as "Every woman's man, and every man's woman" We stan a bicon in this house permalink fedilink source parent [–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Is there data to back that claim up? Not arguing but also something I hadn't heard before. That there has been an absolutely massive increase in # of people identifying as bi and that that is the majority of LGBTQ+ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I can’t recall any off the top of my head and it’s definitely anecdotally been my experience as someone who came out about a decade ago and has been a geek about queer history for about that long. Like there are definitely more homosexuals and a lot more open trans people (but trans people are estimated at absolute highest to be 1% of the population, and more realistic high end estimates last I checked are .3%-.5%), but bi folks have been coming out of the woodwork. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Welt@lazysoci.al 1 point 2 years ago Shakespeare too permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PugJesus@kbin.social 11 points 2 years ago Julius Caesar, described by a contemporary as "Every woman's man, and every man's woman" We stan a bicon in this house permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) Is there data to back that claim up? Not arguing but also something I hadn't heard before. That there has been an absolutely massive increase in # of people identifying as bi and that that is the majority of LGBTQ+ permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I can’t recall any off the top of my head and it’s definitely anecdotally been my experience as someone who came out about a decade ago and has been a geek about queer history for about that long. Like there are definitely more homosexuals and a lot more open trans people (but trans people are estimated at absolute highest to be 1% of the population, and more realistic high end estimates last I checked are .3%-.5%), but bi folks have been coming out of the woodwork. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago I can’t recall any off the top of my head and it’s definitely anecdotally been my experience as someone who came out about a decade ago and has been a geek about queer history for about that long. Like there are definitely more homosexuals and a lot more open trans people (but trans people are estimated at absolute highest to be 1% of the population, and more realistic high end estimates last I checked are .3%-.5%), but bi folks have been coming out of the woodwork. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 20 points 2 years ago (1 child) Yes. Bonobos. Human appear to be about halfway between chimps and bonobos on the primate spectrum. The violence of chimps combined with the fluid sexual social habits of bonobos lol https://phys.org/news/2019-09-insights-same-sex-sexual-interactions-important.amp permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago The article pointed out that the same sex encounters were only high for females, idk if that’s that similar to humans. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago The article pointed out that the same sex encounters were only high for females, idk if that’s that similar to humans. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] drdiddlybadger@pawb.social 19 points 2 years ago We are the only animal with cultural locks on gender expression. If we didn't have such hang ups about gender norms we would not really notice someone being LGBT. Paradoxically the more regressive and strict people are about gender roles the more people you have that don't fit within those gender roles. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] spaduf@slrpnk.net 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) Theres long been a camp that argues the vast majority of people are bisexual (myself included). That's also where pretty much all of the recent growth comes from. Interestingly, most of that comes from bisexual women, while bisexual men consistently self report at levels lower than gay men. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are lots of men who identify as straight but have sex with other men. So much so that medical literature often uses MSM as a category instead of gay. There’s an entire DL subculture among African American men. Anywhere you go you can download Grindr and find oodles of guys who are in heterosexual marriages. The stigma is pretty strong, they probably can’t even internally recognize themselves as somewhat bisexual. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spaduf@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago* This is particularly relevant as it relates to how silly this topic and its reactions are. We absolutely KNOW that the current number is an undercount, and yet it's still really hard for people to grasp that the percentage is that high. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Syrc@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I mean, sexuality is a spectrum. It’s statistically unlikely that a large part of the population is at the exact borders of the spectrum and not even slightly in between. Especially since afaik physical attraction is just a matter of appearance, and there’s very masculine women or very feminine men. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 5 points 2 years ago (1 child) There are lots of men who identify as straight but have sex with other men. So much so that medical literature often uses MSM as a category instead of gay. There’s an entire DL subculture among African American men. Anywhere you go you can download Grindr and find oodles of guys who are in heterosexual marriages. The stigma is pretty strong, they probably can’t even internally recognize themselves as somewhat bisexual. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] spaduf@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago* This is particularly relevant as it relates to how silly this topic and its reactions are. We absolutely KNOW that the current number is an undercount, and yet it's still really hard for people to grasp that the percentage is that high. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] spaduf@slrpnk.net 3 points 2 years ago* This is particularly relevant as it relates to how silly this topic and its reactions are. We absolutely KNOW that the current number is an undercount, and yet it's still really hard for people to grasp that the percentage is that high. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Syrc@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago I mean, sexuality is a spectrum. It’s statistically unlikely that a large part of the population is at the exact borders of the spectrum and not even slightly in between. Especially since afaik physical attraction is just a matter of appearance, and there’s very masculine women or very feminine men. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 years ago Part acceptance, part widening the net of what's included in the category. permalink fedilink source parent