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Voting is changing the Oil to keep the engine running (lemmy.ml)
submitted 2 years ago by to c/politicalmemes@lemmy.world
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While Education and Organizing is building the parts for a new engine the rest of the year.

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[–] 11 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I sympathize with what you're saying, but you have no evidence that the DNC explicitly rejects liberalism. They are an outwardly liberal party that is just as suspect to the problems of liberalism as any other liberal form would be. The consequences of liberalism are still a result of liberalism, after all. Liberalization of the economy directly led to what you call corporatism and what I see as just extended liberalism.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    No, but liberalism the ideology explicitly rejects corporatism. Neither the DNC or GOP have 1 ideology, but I think it's fair to say, every major DNC candidate at least since Gore has been corporatist.

    Liberalization of the economy directly led to what you call corporatism

    Maybe to some extent, but an illiberal economy still has a lot of corporatism. See Transnistria lol. And, in a perfectly liberal economy(which admittedly will never exist) there could be no corporatism, as there would be no state power for corporations to wield. In a less perfect world, a limited state, such as by strong constitution, limits the possibility of corporate abuse.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    Liberalism as a practical model and liberalism as an ideology are not necessarily the same.

    Letting the free market loose will absolutely result in a state, as Private Property cannot exist without a state, and as such larger Capitalists will build up a state to protect their interests.

    Even if you had a limited state with a strong constitution initially, the Capitalists will absolutely abuse what power they can to build up a stronger state.

    If by putting liberal policies into action results in illiberal consequences, then it's fair to call them consequences of liberalism.

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