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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 20 points 2 years ago (3 children)

A private company?

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[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 50 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Yeah. Even in the US many municipalities outsource almost the entire ticketing process to the company selling the cameras, and the company collects a (usually outsized) percentage of the fees. So the company has the incentive to use whatever shady tactics to increase ticketing infraction events. This could be by changing the camera angle slightly to falsely get plates from yellow throughers or sometimes they change light timing itself to increase ticketing events..

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I was talking about Finns in Finland complaining about speed cameras.

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[–] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I would just assumed because they are using the same Swedish company (Sensys Gatso) that does profit sharing agreements with municipalities in the US, that the agreement is the same.

I can't seem to find the finnish contract award details, so I can't confirm that they are. I am thinking now, that their might be a chance that they aren't, given how extreme finnish traffic violation costs can be (% of salary).

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[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 2 years ago (2 children)

% of salary

If you're going to issue fines for speeding, this is the most just way to do it though.

We'll never do that in the US because we hate the poor.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

It's only % of salary (day fines) for more severe offenses, in this case for really speeding. Normal speeding tickets are just a set sum.

Here's a pic showing the amounts. It has the speed limit, how much over the limit you were and how much you end up paying as a fine. Bottom one is "regardless of the limit" and "over 20 km/h", so whenever you go over by over 20 km/h, you pay "day fines".

speeding ticket prices

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[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

I agree it would be more just if it were all based on income, but even this:

It’s only % of salary (day fines) for more severe offenses, in this case for really speeding

...is far more just than here in the US where income is never considered.

So my statement is still accurate. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here. Perhaps you can explain?

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What's up with people online thinking everything is an argument lol

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Friend, I'm just trying to be helpful and note that it's not all speeding tickets.

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[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

The real problem is that people want to argue technicalities that deflect from the main point. For people who aren't paying attention, they might come across this and think, "Oh, well I guess the US system isn't so unjust after all."

The Finnish system is probably inequitable, too! But it's objectively not as inequitable as the US system, at least not where traffic fines are concerned. There's nuance.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago

I was just noting that it's not all (or most) traffic fines, since it's a common misconception. That is all.

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[–] mob@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

The minimum cost of a speeding ticket in Finland is €125 which is closer to an average American speeding ticket, not the minimum.

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[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

So what's the point? How does this not make it more equitable to adjust it by income from there? That's still extremely more equitable than our wildly unjust system that's only designed to punish the poor.

Edit: Also, that's totally wrong. If I convert euros to USD, then that's ~$135, which is way less than an average speeding ticket in the US. Last one I had was more than $200, and that was in 2010. You're wrong.

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https://auto.howstuffworks.com/under-the-hood/cost-of-car-ownership/cost-of-speeding-ticket.htm

[–] mob@sopuli.xyz 1 point 2 years ago* (1 child)

Weirdly confrontational?

Average ticket is 150 in America, which is pretty close to 135.

So a speeding ticket in Finland likely wouldn't benefit poor people, but it would hurt rich people more.

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[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I'm in the lower income bracket, and I haven't had one that low since the 90s. That figure must be skewed by places like Nowhereville where the police are so corrupt that they issue $10 tickets to family members or something, because $150 is not a realistic figure for most people. I bet if we looked into that, we'd find some really creative methodology.

$150? Ain't no way...

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https://trafficsafety.ny.gov/penalties-speeding

[–] mob@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 years ago*

Or you are admittedly a repeat offender, which would likely also increase your fines in Finland.

Heres NY, which I can imagine we agree isnt Nowhereville.

Minimum fine for up to 10mph over is 45$. 90$ for 10-30mph over. 30+mph over is a minimum of 180$

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[–] yetAnotherUser@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago

How much are you (plural) even speeding to have such expensive tickets?

Or do you get a $150+ ticket for driving 70 in a 60 zone?

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It seems like a fairly risky assumption to make just from you having it work like that in the US.

As a side note, that % thing (day fines) don't cover all speeding tickets, since they're considered so minor. It's the bigger offenses (of speed limits and in general) that are covered. So it actually covers other stuff too, not just speeding.

speeding ticket prices

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[+] teamevil@lemmy.world 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 child)

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Do you have a link explaining this? I searched for "poliisi valvontakamera" and "poliisi nopeuskamera asennus" and didn't find stuff about who puts them up and whatnot or about the income sharing. I have read articles about how they're a nice source of income for the state but no mention of the companies involved.

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[–] TheFriar@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

They’re talking about in the US.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It seems everyone who replied to me was talking about the US haha, while I was talking about Finland

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[–] MNByChoice@midwest.social 3 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

In the USA, many or most speed cameras are owned and operated not by the local police or city, but by a private company that keeps some percent of the fines they give out.

They are contracted by the city, country, or other authority. They are not randomly placed or operated without permission.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 4 points 2 years ago

I was talking about Finns in Finland complaining about speed cameras.

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[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

Capitalism caused a problem?

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

I don't think we have that problem in Finland and we are a capitalist country.

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[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

You can at least pretend you are.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

What do you mean?

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[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

Us Nords are socialist enough to keep a tight leash on capitalism. Less and less of course, but capitalism doesn't define us, the way it defines basically the rest of the world.

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[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

But we are all capitalist countries still, that's what I mean.

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[–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

Capitalism wreaks a different amount of havoc on societies depending on any number of variables, mostly those which have to do with controlling capitalism.

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