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why is that even a thing lol
iMessage uses it’s own protocols and shit that are proprietary, and uses the standard sms protocol as a fallback. Android can use something called RCS which catches up feature wise, but doesn’t play nice with apple.
It’s to create an illusion of exclusivity and therefore social pressure to use an apple device.
This isn't technically wrong, but to be clear, iMessage is closed source. No one can play nice with Apple, in that regard.
RCS on the other hand is a more open standard that anyone is free to implement and use. It just doesn't come with end-to-end encryption as a part of the standard.
Nope, RCS isn't. It's still not opened up for 3rd party Android apps.
I mean it's just a gsm standard with some extra features. Realistically you could probably (relatively) easily figure it out and code it yourself like beeper mini did with iMessage but I don't think gsm or Google is going to change the standard to stop you.
...no, you can't. I've seen people try. Google says they will open the RCS protocol to 3rd parties... soon?
Google doesn't own the RCS protocol. This is like saying they own the SMTP protocol because they provide Gmail. They are just one company that has implemented the protocol in their default text message app. They built end-to-end encryption into their implementation, which is currently closed source. I'm guessing this is what you're referring to.
Anyone can implement RCS. It may cost you some money and some time, but it is possible. That's the difference I was originally trying to highlight.
No, anyone cannot. That's why I said it wasn't really open. 3rd party android apps can't use RCS. I would need to use Google's Messages app.
No. I'm sorry. You can't just say it and make it true. Please show me how Google owns RCS or prevents other developers from implementing it within their own apps.
I'm convinced you're incorrect. SMTP is an open transport protocol defined in RFC 2821 by the IETF. Anything that is an IP "open protocol" would be defined by IETF as an RFC. No one owns it. No license is required to operate an SMTP server. Same with other common protocols like SIP. It sets qualifications/requirements for what it is so anyone can use it.
RCS is a proprietary standard owned by the GSMA. It seems there is some support for developers that want to use RCS but it's through an API. Meaning your use is licensed and at a cost. Also, you can't really see what it's doing. You're just using an API. Your access can be revoked. So is it an open standard? No.
I did my own research and I plan to try these APIs because I have used other messaging services like twilio for paging applications. But here are some other geeks arguing about it:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/wm18td/stop_telling_people_that_rcs_is_an_open_standard/
https://www.gsma.com/futurenetworks/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/RCC.07-v11.0.pdf
The specification exists. It's not free as in beer. This is really beside the point. Google implemented an RCS messaging client. Your cellular carriers implement the RCS endpoints the clients use.
Well others including I have explained it to you. It's not open. And your comparison (SMTP) shows your lack of knowledge on the subject.
What have you explained? That RCS is not stewarded by the IETF? That's not the crux of the issue. My original claim was that RCS was more open than iMessage and that RCS is not owned or controlled by Google. Tell me where I'm wrong, and back it up with good sources. Or not. Whatever you're feeling like.
I don't have the technical knowledge to explain how what works, but there are no FOSS or 3rd party RCS apps for a reason and you can find various posts on social media from devs trying to implement or even reverse engineer RCS and failing
That's their rcs protocol. It's the one with the features. Without the features is easy, the features are what make it difficult.
It's a gated standard.
Are you sure about that?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Communication_Services
Yes, and your source says nothing to the contrary.
All using Google Messages. Yep I'm sure. Samsung skins the app but it's all Google Messages. 3rd party apps arenct supported. I'll use RCS when there's FOSS on Android for RCS.
because iMessage uses texting as a fall back