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Liberals wholeheartedly believe that if Russia gains an inch of territory that their next move will be to overthrow the world. If you mention that this is unreasonable and illogical, they insinuate that you're a Putin sympathizer and you want that to happen.
These are the people who claim to want peace.
Putin has been in power for ~25 years. In that time, Russia has fought wars in… I think Chechnya, Georgia, and Dagestan. Small territories that were formerly part of the USSR, and for all I know it’s possible the USSR was justified in intervening or at the very least Russia’s action could not be called “imperial”. I guess there’s Syria too but the US is there too so that’s a wash.
Ukraine is the first real, full scale war Putin has launched. Still within the former borders of the USSR. And that was a war Putin tried to avoid and could have been avoided had Ukraine gone along with Minsk II and stopped shelling the Donbas.
Should we discuss all the imperialist invasions and wars the US has been in in the last 25 years?
Putin has had 25+ years to show he is imperialist and hasn’t done it yet. But libs think he’s gonna lead the Russian army to Paris if NATO dares shows any weakness.
every accusation a projection
Ukraine is also a former USSR member and the last time they "invaded" it, they were actively collaborating with the Third Reich
The Soviets didn't invade Ukraine. The Ukrainian SSR was fighting alongside the Soviets against the Nazis. As much as I hate the UPA and modern Ukraine, I'll never undermine or discredit the sacrifice made by Ukrainians in saving the world from Fascism.
Very good point. I edited my original comment to put scare quotes around "invaded"
It pisses me off to no end when, for example, westerners will refer to heros like Lyudmila Pavlichenko as "Russian" when like.. she was born and raised in fucking Kyiv. She was a Soviet Ukranian, and many of the Nazis she killed were also Ukranians.
But have you considered that imperialism is when a country does anything in another country? Kinda like the imperialist CCP building infastructure in Africa to lead them away from FREEDOM and DEMOCRACY(tm). Bet you didn't think about that. Chechmate tankie
it's always important to remember where the imperial core is, and who is dividing the world into camps (NATO) and who is responding to that division (non-NATO countries).
The Russian war in Ukraine is ultimately a side effect of the civil war in Ukraine, which is a side effect of neoliberalization of Ukraine, which is a side effect of the end of the USSR. All problems in that region stem ultimately from that event, but libs are incapable of seeing the end of the USSR as a bad thing, so they have to invent a world where former soviet nations are guilty of imperialism against NATO proxies and postcolonial countries are anti-democratic dictatorships who have to be brought in line by the "rules-based world order" (NATO).