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Folks don't want Genocidal Joe. Anyone supporting him is supporting the sleep walking to fascism.
Yes because clearly whomever else runs won't put our troops into Gaza instead? Oh? You want to vote 3rd party? Lol. You just voted for Trump. I'd tell you that you're throwing your vote away, but I won't. There will be plenty of time for that. When we're in the concentration camp.
Bernie.
Not running.
Also sure you want to protest vote, but you literally won't be able to protest if Trump wins.
Well Trump will win if folks keep pushing through Genocidal Joe.
Yep might as well get ready for the camps then
What camps?
Concentrate on that question for a bit and you may finally come up with the solution.
Why don't you just clarify?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment
No, why and how should I get ready for them?
How? Guess vote 3rd party because it's a vote for Trump. Or maybe just vote for Trump.
Why? If Trump wins all of the undesirables, which is anyone not wearing a MAGA hat, will likely be interned in camps. At first. Then they'll find people who wear those too.
And because I doubt that you're acting in good faith, if you fail to see the parallels to 1930s Germany, and the rise of Adolf Hitler, then the school system that you attended should face a serious audit.
People didn't take him seriously either.
The greatest generation fought and died to end fascism in Europe. Now that they're all dead we get to see it rise in the United States.
And a vote for a 3rd party, which is the same as not voting, is allowing Trump to secure his rise as King to begin the Trump Dynasty. All hail God Emperor Trump!
Why are you talking about third party? When did I ever talk about that?
https://lemmy.world/comment/6454582 "Well Trump will win if folks keep pushing through Genocidal Joe."
Well, what else would you mean there bud? Not voting? Well that's even worse.
Biden is the Democratic nominee. There is no one else.
Either you vote for Biden or you want Trump to win. Full stop.
When your child is born, will you be able to tell her or him that you supported the Democratic candidate and swallowed your pride?
Or that you "voted your conscience" and God Emperor Trump and his children began their 1000 year rei..reign?
Just because Biden is doing something that you disagree with -- this whole situation is horrible -- but think about it. What would you have him do?
Stop supporting Israel? They'll reach out to China. That's a net loss for geopolitics. It has no morals. It's about power and power coupons. Power coupons are money. Though since China supports Iran maybe they'll make them commit to peace in the middle east (or start world war 3, assuming that it hasn't started already)
Declare war on Israel? Okay but I don't see how that wouldn't lead to a second Trump victory. Real flip the table power move though.
And if for one minute you think that anything about how Trump would handle this situation would somehow be better, you seriously need to reassess the situation.
Trump would have boots on the ground in Gaza at best. No more aid for Gaza. Trump has no love in his heart for anyone but himself, certainly not Muslim refugees.
Yeah, it sucks. Biden is at least calling for restraint. Trump would be mask off genocide on Gaza. Literally.
For a more pragmatic view, check out Beau of the Fifth Column on YouTube. Don't let his southern accent and beard fool you, he is genuinely well versed in geopolitics.
https://youtu.be/S3ojr2oJEVo?si=jYEAAUE3pVxDWygi
I'm talking about the primary kiddo. Biden is not the nominee yet.
There's not going to be a primary. Biden is the nominee. Sit down and drink your apple juice son.
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We can continue to throw insults at each other. None of that is going to stop the genocide in Gaza or the likely genocide in the United States unless we do everything that we can to stop the Republicans from getting power ever again.
This isn't a Trump problem, he was just the convenient figurehead. It'll be at least thirty years before we see the other side of this. Please, just do the best that you can to protect your friends and family. I was young and principled once, Then I lived through Bush II and decided that the lesser of two evils is still better than pure evil.
Change has to come from the bottom, not the top. Run for local office. Run for the school board. Run for the parks department. Start or join a community network. Take care of each other and on a long enough timeline, we win.
Protest vote in 2016 worked so well for everyone /s
Exactly
A vote for Democrats is a vote for a party that "isn't trump" but isn't particularly interested in stopping him or the impending fascism.
As opposed to the guy who literally is fascist and "comes up with Hitler's talking points independently".
The camps won't be summer camp.
Sure maybe they'll start with trans youth. Then lgbtq. Then brown people. Then cat boys.
Do you really want to live in a country without cat boys?
Eventually they'll find a reason to go after you or someone else who you do care about.
You posted Bernie or bust in 2016 on live journal? Choo Choo! Off to the camps!
My point is we've played this game for decades and it still led us to Trump because democrats and liberals DON'T DO SHIT TO STOP THEM. They're complicit because they still benefit from Republicans getting their way.
Voting dem doesn't stop fascism, it only delays it by an election or two as Republicans continue to consolidate power and disenfranchise voters while the dems shrug because they think the only true injustice is hurting Republicans feels.
Yep let's vote Trump and get it over with right?
If every person who shrieked a vote for a third party elects trump voted for a third party, we'd get a third party.
You're the one voting for Trump by refusing to move away from a broken system. Voting slightly less right is still voting for the right. 🤷
the poem starts "first they came for the communists" so you can sit down.
Okay sure let me know how many communists you know?
Let me know what your solution is?
Because they certainly have the roadmap for a final one.
https://www.project2025.org/
me. I'm a Communist. so you can take your identity politics and status quo dick sucking and sit the fuck down.
See you in the camps then
I'm not voting for genocide no matter how vivid your revenge fantasy
P2025 only scares white liberals because it finally targets you. Everyone in the global majority have had versions of P2025 for decades, if not centuries. You demand we come to your rescue to prevent your version of P2025 while you didn't have our backs while they were oppressing us. In fact liberals did worse, claim to support their plight while electing the people that amplified the struggle. Restructuring the executive branch to benefit the donor class has been happening since Clinton and his DLC.
Hey that's fine, see you in the camps!
So fucking mellow dramatic
>You want to vote 3rd party? Lol. You just voted for Trump.
only a vote for trump is a vote for trump
You just don't know how a two party system works. It's okay, the Republicans will get rid of the department of education.
https://www.project2025.org/
this isn't a rebuttal, it's a red herring
No it's a warning. The concentration camp will give you lots of time to think about the time you put your principles ahead of your best interests.
I'm not voting for genocide no matter how vivid your revenge fantasy
For those who's not voting for Joe or won't vote because of Biden position, reminder that you can still vote, and pick the candidates that AIPAC is financing against within downballots.
However, I will vote for Joe Biden because we live in the FPTP system, and I plan to vote out AIPAC endorsed candidates on the downballot. I'm voting in people that has naunces which means I will not support people who do hate Jewish people.