▲ 783 ▼ Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals (electrek.co) submitted 2 years ago by throws_lemy@lemmy.nz to c/technology@lemmy.world 270 comments fedilink hide all child comments
[–] GentriFriedRice@lemmy.world 22 points 2 years ago (48 children) Tbf you are supposed use the signal before turning wheel permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 48 child comments replies: [–] Sendbeer@lemm.ee 80 points 2 years ago (46 children) Covered in the article. In Norway you are required to signal when exiting a roundabout. It's a fair concern. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 46 child comments replies: [–] topinambour_rex@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago (7 children) Just in civilized countries, not only Norway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] erwan@lemmy.ml -6 points 2 years ago (6 children) Some countries don't have roundabouts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ByGourou@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 years ago (5 children) Civilized countries have roundabout permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (4 children) It's a significantly more efficient way for dealing with high-traffic in a cross-roads situation (though less safe than traffic signs) and pretty much a must if you get 5 or more roads converging and not enough to space to merge a few of those upstream. However it takes some practice to be comfortable using them, plus they're most efficient when drivers reliably signal their intention to exit (because it allows people waiting to go in to know earlier that it's safe to do so). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Good signalling on roundabouts is basic driving skills you learn when getting your license, but for sure not everyone does it properly every time. In the Netherlands there's roundabouts that work around this by having physical lanes that dispatch the vehicles to the exits, so if you're trying to get in and see they're in that exit lane you can go in knowing there's no way they will stay on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well, I've lived in The Netherlands and I would say that the extra complexity of the bicycle path (which generally leads to a bicycle roundabout outside the car one) does push for having to help drivers a bit extra in the absence of traffic signs managing the thing (since anybody exiting the roundabout still has to give way to bicycles). That said, even in my own native Portugal, were maybe 9 out of 10 of all drivers do not properly and reliably use the direction indicators (from personal experience I would say the quality of driving here is one of, if not THE, worst in Europe) roundabouts are all over the place, clearly help and don't seem to be any more accident prone than regular T and X junctions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] anlumo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) At least in Cities Skylines 1&2, where the player has a good overview of the behavior, they only work for low to medium amount of traffic. If you have one side sending in cars constantly, the others never get an opportunity to enter the roundabout, so there’s a traffic jam spanning through the whole city behind it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, that's a good point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wooki@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) And Australia, at least state of NSW made it mandatory permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) That's law across the whole country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cam_i_am@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I'm pretty sure you don't have to signal when exiting a roundabout in Victoria. We might be the outlier though. In Vic it's also legal to U turn anywhere, unless a sign specifically prohibits it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You may be odd, though the national law is no U-turns at lights unless there is a permissive sign, allowed to U-turn anywhere else unless there's a restrictive sign Be careful when driving interstate! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cam_i_am@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago My understanding was that most road rules are state-based, not federal. I'm any case, I'm 100% certain that in Victoria, you can ways chuck a uey unless a sign prohibits it. Doesn't matter if there are traffic lights or not. It's definitely something we have to be mindful of when driving interstate! I think a lot of Vic drivers on holidays get done for illegal U turns. permalink fedilink source parent [+] DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (31 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 31 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 years ago (10 children) The point is that there will be no way to handle the turn signal through muscle memory. With a traditional control, it is always in the same place in relation to your body. It doesn’t move. When it’s in the steering wheel, it can be in many, many different places. If you have media controls on your steering wheel, try using them during a turn without taking your eyes off the road. Now pretend they are smooth and act like a touch input on a dual shock controller. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (8 children) Your thumb stays at the same place on the steering wheel when you’re not driving straight? O.o permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (6 children) There are numerous times you would need to put your turn signal on when the steering wheel isn’t perfectly straight. A three point turn for instance. Exiting a roundabout in some places, a curved residential road. Just because you fail to think of scenarios it applies in, doesn’t mean it doesn’t apply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (4 children) Pretty honest conversation here. If you’re doing any of the things I just listed, you’re improperly driving if your thumbs aren’t moving. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s cute how you’re hung up on my wording, and completely ignoring my three very real situations where your thumbs are very likely nowhere near their normal position. Please tell me more about how I’m arguing dishonestly with what should have been obvious was a hyperbolic statement. 😉 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago Whatever you need to tell yourself to avoid the situation I suppose. I just wanted to make sure you knew it was pretty transparent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (17 children) That's not the issue, imagining driving through a roundabout that curves left and having to find a button somewhere on the steering wheel, which is at an angle, in order to indicate right before turning tight in order to exit the roundabout. A stalk will always be in the same position. The same cannot be said for buttons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (7 children) Drivers frequently change their hand placement as they turn the wheel. You lose precision and basic ability to manipulate the wheel if you don't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) Quoting yourself won't magically make you right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So why do it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It was. You're just plain wrong so it was ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (7 children) Again, it depends on the angle of the steering wheel. The buttons may be upside down if the car is turning sharply enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (5 children) Do you stick your hands to the steering wheel with Krazy glue? You can't be serious if you think people don't take sharp turns from time to time and have to indicate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'll do it your way... ...huh? I was replying to this comment: Again, no it doesn't. The button should always be in the exact same position, relative to your thumb. Are you seriously telling me you never reposition your hands on the steering wheel? You are bad at reading. Try again. This is total nonsense: If you're turning that sharply, you're not going to need turn signals. Ever heard about U-turns? You need to signal while doing those too. That's just one example that disputes your position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll write it down simply and then I'm done because getting through to you is seemingly impossible. People sometimes need to turn on their indicators while not driving in a straight line. It happens, accept it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I think you're right. People in this thread are forgetting that this steering yoke doesn't have anywhere to put your hands other than right next to the buttons A driving instructor saying "I couldn't use this on my first go" isn't a fatal argument for the control Sure a stick is probably superior, but I bet you could build muscle memory on a wheel that works like a race car's permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CallumWells@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago But it's not a yoke, it's a steering wheel, which generally turn up to 1 and 1/2 times each way, which with a small radius roundabout (which is a lot of them in Norway) means you'll have to go hand over hand to turn sharply enough, thus not having your hands on the exact same spots through the turn and thus not able to press the right haptic feedback panel at that time. See https://lemmy.ml/comment/7056795 permalink fedilink source parent [–] Wrench@lemmy.world 69 points 2 years ago In addition to roundabouts, there are plenty of freeway exists that loop around where you can be at an extreme turn and need to initiate a lane change. Or making a right turn into a gas station after a left turn at an intersection... lots of use cases. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Sendbeer@lemm.ee 80 points 2 years ago (46 children) Covered in the article. In Norway you are required to signal when exiting a roundabout. It's a fair concern. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 46 child comments replies: [–] topinambour_rex@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago (7 children) Just in civilized countries, not only Norway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] erwan@lemmy.ml -6 points 2 years ago (6 children) Some countries don't have roundabouts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ByGourou@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 years ago (5 children) Civilized countries have roundabout permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (4 children) It's a significantly more efficient way for dealing with high-traffic in a cross-roads situation (though less safe than traffic signs) and pretty much a must if you get 5 or more roads converging and not enough to space to merge a few of those upstream. However it takes some practice to be comfortable using them, plus they're most efficient when drivers reliably signal their intention to exit (because it allows people waiting to go in to know earlier that it's safe to do so). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Good signalling on roundabouts is basic driving skills you learn when getting your license, but for sure not everyone does it properly every time. In the Netherlands there's roundabouts that work around this by having physical lanes that dispatch the vehicles to the exits, so if you're trying to get in and see they're in that exit lane you can go in knowing there's no way they will stay on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well, I've lived in The Netherlands and I would say that the extra complexity of the bicycle path (which generally leads to a bicycle roundabout outside the car one) does push for having to help drivers a bit extra in the absence of traffic signs managing the thing (since anybody exiting the roundabout still has to give way to bicycles). That said, even in my own native Portugal, were maybe 9 out of 10 of all drivers do not properly and reliably use the direction indicators (from personal experience I would say the quality of driving here is one of, if not THE, worst in Europe) roundabouts are all over the place, clearly help and don't seem to be any more accident prone than regular T and X junctions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] anlumo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) At least in Cities Skylines 1&2, where the player has a good overview of the behavior, they only work for low to medium amount of traffic. If you have one side sending in cars constantly, the others never get an opportunity to enter the roundabout, so there’s a traffic jam spanning through the whole city behind it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, that's a good point. permalink fedilink source parent [–] wooki@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) And Australia, at least state of NSW made it mandatory permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) That's law across the whole country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cam_i_am@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I'm pretty sure you don't have to signal when exiting a roundabout in Victoria. We might be the outlier though. In Vic it's also legal to U turn anywhere, unless a sign specifically prohibits it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You may be odd, though the national law is no U-turns at lights unless there is a permissive sign, allowed to U-turn anywhere else unless there's a restrictive sign Be careful when driving interstate! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cam_i_am@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago My understanding was that most road rules are state-based, not federal. I'm any case, I'm 100% certain that in Victoria, you can ways chuck a uey unless a sign prohibits it. Doesn't matter if there are traffic lights or not. It's definitely something we have to be mindful of when driving interstate! I think a lot of Vic drivers on holidays get done for illegal U turns. permalink fedilink source parent [+] DreadPotato@sopuli.xyz 2 points 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (31 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 31 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 years ago (10 children) The point is that there will be no way to handle the turn signal through muscle memory. With a traditional control, it is always in the same place in relation to your body. It doesn’t move. When it’s in the steering wheel, it can be in many, many different places. If you have media controls on your steering wheel, try using them during a turn without taking your eyes off the road. Now pretend they are smooth and act like a touch input on a dual shock controller. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (8 children) Your thumb stays at the same place on the steering wheel when you’re not driving straight? O.o permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (6 children) There are numerous times you would need to put your turn signal on when the steering wheel isn’t perfectly straight. A three point turn for instance. Exiting a roundabout in some places, a curved residential road. Just because you fail to think of scenarios it applies in, doesn’t mean it doesn’t apply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (4 children) Pretty honest conversation here. If you’re doing any of the things I just listed, you’re improperly driving if your thumbs aren’t moving. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s cute how you’re hung up on my wording, and completely ignoring my three very real situations where your thumbs are very likely nowhere near their normal position. Please tell me more about how I’m arguing dishonestly with what should have been obvious was a hyperbolic statement. 😉 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago Whatever you need to tell yourself to avoid the situation I suppose. I just wanted to make sure you knew it was pretty transparent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (17 children) That's not the issue, imagining driving through a roundabout that curves left and having to find a button somewhere on the steering wheel, which is at an angle, in order to indicate right before turning tight in order to exit the roundabout. A stalk will always be in the same position. The same cannot be said for buttons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (7 children) Drivers frequently change their hand placement as they turn the wheel. You lose precision and basic ability to manipulate the wheel if you don't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) Quoting yourself won't magically make you right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So why do it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It was. You're just plain wrong so it was ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (7 children) Again, it depends on the angle of the steering wheel. The buttons may be upside down if the car is turning sharply enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (5 children) Do you stick your hands to the steering wheel with Krazy glue? You can't be serious if you think people don't take sharp turns from time to time and have to indicate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'll do it your way... ...huh? I was replying to this comment: Again, no it doesn't. The button should always be in the exact same position, relative to your thumb. Are you seriously telling me you never reposition your hands on the steering wheel? You are bad at reading. Try again. This is total nonsense: If you're turning that sharply, you're not going to need turn signals. Ever heard about U-turns? You need to signal while doing those too. That's just one example that disputes your position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll write it down simply and then I'm done because getting through to you is seemingly impossible. People sometimes need to turn on their indicators while not driving in a straight line. It happens, accept it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I think you're right. People in this thread are forgetting that this steering yoke doesn't have anywhere to put your hands other than right next to the buttons A driving instructor saying "I couldn't use this on my first go" isn't a fatal argument for the control Sure a stick is probably superior, but I bet you could build muscle memory on a wheel that works like a race car's permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CallumWells@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago But it's not a yoke, it's a steering wheel, which generally turn up to 1 and 1/2 times each way, which with a small radius roundabout (which is a lot of them in Norway) means you'll have to go hand over hand to turn sharply enough, thus not having your hands on the exact same spots through the turn and thus not able to press the right haptic feedback panel at that time. See https://lemmy.ml/comment/7056795 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] topinambour_rex@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago (7 children) Just in civilized countries, not only Norway. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] erwan@lemmy.ml -6 points 2 years ago (6 children) Some countries don't have roundabouts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ByGourou@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 years ago (5 children) Civilized countries have roundabout permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (4 children) It's a significantly more efficient way for dealing with high-traffic in a cross-roads situation (though less safe than traffic signs) and pretty much a must if you get 5 or more roads converging and not enough to space to merge a few of those upstream. However it takes some practice to be comfortable using them, plus they're most efficient when drivers reliably signal their intention to exit (because it allows people waiting to go in to know earlier that it's safe to do so). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Good signalling on roundabouts is basic driving skills you learn when getting your license, but for sure not everyone does it properly every time. In the Netherlands there's roundabouts that work around this by having physical lanes that dispatch the vehicles to the exits, so if you're trying to get in and see they're in that exit lane you can go in knowing there's no way they will stay on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well, I've lived in The Netherlands and I would say that the extra complexity of the bicycle path (which generally leads to a bicycle roundabout outside the car one) does push for having to help drivers a bit extra in the absence of traffic signs managing the thing (since anybody exiting the roundabout still has to give way to bicycles). That said, even in my own native Portugal, were maybe 9 out of 10 of all drivers do not properly and reliably use the direction indicators (from personal experience I would say the quality of driving here is one of, if not THE, worst in Europe) roundabouts are all over the place, clearly help and don't seem to be any more accident prone than regular T and X junctions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] anlumo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) At least in Cities Skylines 1&2, where the player has a good overview of the behavior, they only work for low to medium amount of traffic. If you have one side sending in cars constantly, the others never get an opportunity to enter the roundabout, so there’s a traffic jam spanning through the whole city behind it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, that's a good point. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] erwan@lemmy.ml -6 points 2 years ago (6 children) Some countries don't have roundabouts permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] ByGourou@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 years ago (5 children) Civilized countries have roundabout permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (4 children) It's a significantly more efficient way for dealing with high-traffic in a cross-roads situation (though less safe than traffic signs) and pretty much a must if you get 5 or more roads converging and not enough to space to merge a few of those upstream. However it takes some practice to be comfortable using them, plus they're most efficient when drivers reliably signal their intention to exit (because it allows people waiting to go in to know earlier that it's safe to do so). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Good signalling on roundabouts is basic driving skills you learn when getting your license, but for sure not everyone does it properly every time. In the Netherlands there's roundabouts that work around this by having physical lanes that dispatch the vehicles to the exits, so if you're trying to get in and see they're in that exit lane you can go in knowing there's no way they will stay on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well, I've lived in The Netherlands and I would say that the extra complexity of the bicycle path (which generally leads to a bicycle roundabout outside the car one) does push for having to help drivers a bit extra in the absence of traffic signs managing the thing (since anybody exiting the roundabout still has to give way to bicycles). That said, even in my own native Portugal, were maybe 9 out of 10 of all drivers do not properly and reliably use the direction indicators (from personal experience I would say the quality of driving here is one of, if not THE, worst in Europe) roundabouts are all over the place, clearly help and don't seem to be any more accident prone than regular T and X junctions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] anlumo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) At least in Cities Skylines 1&2, where the player has a good overview of the behavior, they only work for low to medium amount of traffic. If you have one side sending in cars constantly, the others never get an opportunity to enter the roundabout, so there’s a traffic jam spanning through the whole city behind it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, that's a good point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ByGourou@sh.itjust.works 36 points 2 years ago (5 children) Civilized countries have roundabout permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (4 children) It's a significantly more efficient way for dealing with high-traffic in a cross-roads situation (though less safe than traffic signs) and pretty much a must if you get 5 or more roads converging and not enough to space to merge a few of those upstream. However it takes some practice to be comfortable using them, plus they're most efficient when drivers reliably signal their intention to exit (because it allows people waiting to go in to know earlier that it's safe to do so). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Good signalling on roundabouts is basic driving skills you learn when getting your license, but for sure not everyone does it properly every time. In the Netherlands there's roundabouts that work around this by having physical lanes that dispatch the vehicles to the exits, so if you're trying to get in and see they're in that exit lane you can go in knowing there's no way they will stay on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well, I've lived in The Netherlands and I would say that the extra complexity of the bicycle path (which generally leads to a bicycle roundabout outside the car one) does push for having to help drivers a bit extra in the absence of traffic signs managing the thing (since anybody exiting the roundabout still has to give way to bicycles). That said, even in my own native Portugal, were maybe 9 out of 10 of all drivers do not properly and reliably use the direction indicators (from personal experience I would say the quality of driving here is one of, if not THE, worst in Europe) roundabouts are all over the place, clearly help and don't seem to be any more accident prone than regular T and X junctions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] anlumo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) At least in Cities Skylines 1&2, where the player has a good overview of the behavior, they only work for low to medium amount of traffic. If you have one side sending in cars constantly, the others never get an opportunity to enter the roundabout, so there’s a traffic jam spanning through the whole city behind it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, that's a good point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (4 children) It's a significantly more efficient way for dealing with high-traffic in a cross-roads situation (though less safe than traffic signs) and pretty much a must if you get 5 or more roads converging and not enough to space to merge a few of those upstream. However it takes some practice to be comfortable using them, plus they're most efficient when drivers reliably signal their intention to exit (because it allows people waiting to go in to know earlier that it's safe to do so). permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Good signalling on roundabouts is basic driving skills you learn when getting your license, but for sure not everyone does it properly every time. In the Netherlands there's roundabouts that work around this by having physical lanes that dispatch the vehicles to the exits, so if you're trying to get in and see they're in that exit lane you can go in knowing there's no way they will stay on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well, I've lived in The Netherlands and I would say that the extra complexity of the bicycle path (which generally leads to a bicycle roundabout outside the car one) does push for having to help drivers a bit extra in the absence of traffic signs managing the thing (since anybody exiting the roundabout still has to give way to bicycles). That said, even in my own native Portugal, were maybe 9 out of 10 of all drivers do not properly and reliably use the direction indicators (from personal experience I would say the quality of driving here is one of, if not THE, worst in Europe) roundabouts are all over the place, clearly help and don't seem to be any more accident prone than regular T and X junctions. permalink fedilink source parent [–] anlumo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) At least in Cities Skylines 1&2, where the player has a good overview of the behavior, they only work for low to medium amount of traffic. If you have one side sending in cars constantly, the others never get an opportunity to enter the roundabout, so there’s a traffic jam spanning through the whole city behind it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, that's a good point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Obi@sopuli.xyz 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Good signalling on roundabouts is basic driving skills you learn when getting your license, but for sure not everyone does it properly every time. In the Netherlands there's roundabouts that work around this by having physical lanes that dispatch the vehicles to the exits, so if you're trying to get in and see they're in that exit lane you can go in knowing there's no way they will stay on. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well, I've lived in The Netherlands and I would say that the extra complexity of the bicycle path (which generally leads to a bicycle roundabout outside the car one) does push for having to help drivers a bit extra in the absence of traffic signs managing the thing (since anybody exiting the roundabout still has to give way to bicycles). That said, even in my own native Portugal, were maybe 9 out of 10 of all drivers do not properly and reliably use the direction indicators (from personal experience I would say the quality of driving here is one of, if not THE, worst in Europe) roundabouts are all over the place, clearly help and don't seem to be any more accident prone than regular T and X junctions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago* Well, I've lived in The Netherlands and I would say that the extra complexity of the bicycle path (which generally leads to a bicycle roundabout outside the car one) does push for having to help drivers a bit extra in the absence of traffic signs managing the thing (since anybody exiting the roundabout still has to give way to bicycles). That said, even in my own native Portugal, were maybe 9 out of 10 of all drivers do not properly and reliably use the direction indicators (from personal experience I would say the quality of driving here is one of, if not THE, worst in Europe) roundabouts are all over the place, clearly help and don't seem to be any more accident prone than regular T and X junctions. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] anlumo@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) At least in Cities Skylines 1&2, where the player has a good overview of the behavior, they only work for low to medium amount of traffic. If you have one side sending in cars constantly, the others never get an opportunity to enter the roundabout, so there’s a traffic jam spanning through the whole city behind it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, that's a good point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Yeah, that's a good point. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] wooki@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 2 years ago (4 children) And Australia, at least state of NSW made it mandatory permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) That's law across the whole country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cam_i_am@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I'm pretty sure you don't have to signal when exiting a roundabout in Victoria. We might be the outlier though. In Vic it's also legal to U turn anywhere, unless a sign specifically prohibits it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You may be odd, though the national law is no U-turns at lights unless there is a permissive sign, allowed to U-turn anywhere else unless there's a restrictive sign Be careful when driving interstate! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cam_i_am@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago My understanding was that most road rules are state-based, not federal. I'm any case, I'm 100% certain that in Victoria, you can ways chuck a uey unless a sign prohibits it. Doesn't matter if there are traffic lights or not. It's definitely something we have to be mindful of when driving interstate! I think a lot of Vic drivers on holidays get done for illegal U turns. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) That's law across the whole country permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] cam_i_am@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I'm pretty sure you don't have to signal when exiting a roundabout in Victoria. We might be the outlier though. In Vic it's also legal to U turn anywhere, unless a sign specifically prohibits it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You may be odd, though the national law is no U-turns at lights unless there is a permissive sign, allowed to U-turn anywhere else unless there's a restrictive sign Be careful when driving interstate! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cam_i_am@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago My understanding was that most road rules are state-based, not federal. I'm any case, I'm 100% certain that in Victoria, you can ways chuck a uey unless a sign prohibits it. Doesn't matter if there are traffic lights or not. It's definitely something we have to be mindful of when driving interstate! I think a lot of Vic drivers on holidays get done for illegal U turns. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cam_i_am@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (2 children) I'm pretty sure you don't have to signal when exiting a roundabout in Victoria. We might be the outlier though. In Vic it's also legal to U turn anywhere, unless a sign specifically prohibits it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You may be odd, though the national law is no U-turns at lights unless there is a permissive sign, allowed to U-turn anywhere else unless there's a restrictive sign Be careful when driving interstate! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cam_i_am@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago My understanding was that most road rules are state-based, not federal. I'm any case, I'm 100% certain that in Victoria, you can ways chuck a uey unless a sign prohibits it. Doesn't matter if there are traffic lights or not. It's definitely something we have to be mindful of when driving interstate! I think a lot of Vic drivers on holidays get done for illegal U turns. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] psud@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) You may be odd, though the national law is no U-turns at lights unless there is a permissive sign, allowed to U-turn anywhere else unless there's a restrictive sign Be careful when driving interstate! permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] cam_i_am@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago My understanding was that most road rules are state-based, not federal. I'm any case, I'm 100% certain that in Victoria, you can ways chuck a uey unless a sign prohibits it. Doesn't matter if there are traffic lights or not. It's definitely something we have to be mindful of when driving interstate! I think a lot of Vic drivers on holidays get done for illegal U turns. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cam_i_am@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago My understanding was that most road rules are state-based, not federal. I'm any case, I'm 100% certain that in Victoria, you can ways chuck a uey unless a sign prohibits it. Doesn't matter if there are traffic lights or not. It's definitely something we have to be mindful of when driving interstate! I think a lot of Vic drivers on holidays get done for illegal U turns. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (31 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 31 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 years ago (10 children) The point is that there will be no way to handle the turn signal through muscle memory. With a traditional control, it is always in the same place in relation to your body. It doesn’t move. When it’s in the steering wheel, it can be in many, many different places. If you have media controls on your steering wheel, try using them during a turn without taking your eyes off the road. Now pretend they are smooth and act like a touch input on a dual shock controller. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (8 children) Your thumb stays at the same place on the steering wheel when you’re not driving straight? O.o permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (6 children) There are numerous times you would need to put your turn signal on when the steering wheel isn’t perfectly straight. A three point turn for instance. Exiting a roundabout in some places, a curved residential road. Just because you fail to think of scenarios it applies in, doesn’t mean it doesn’t apply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (4 children) Pretty honest conversation here. If you’re doing any of the things I just listed, you’re improperly driving if your thumbs aren’t moving. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s cute how you’re hung up on my wording, and completely ignoring my three very real situations where your thumbs are very likely nowhere near their normal position. Please tell me more about how I’m arguing dishonestly with what should have been obvious was a hyperbolic statement. 😉 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago Whatever you need to tell yourself to avoid the situation I suppose. I just wanted to make sure you knew it was pretty transparent. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (17 children) That's not the issue, imagining driving through a roundabout that curves left and having to find a button somewhere on the steering wheel, which is at an angle, in order to indicate right before turning tight in order to exit the roundabout. A stalk will always be in the same position. The same cannot be said for buttons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (7 children) Drivers frequently change their hand placement as they turn the wheel. You lose precision and basic ability to manipulate the wheel if you don't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) Quoting yourself won't magically make you right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So why do it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It was. You're just plain wrong so it was ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (7 children) Again, it depends on the angle of the steering wheel. The buttons may be upside down if the car is turning sharply enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (5 children) Do you stick your hands to the steering wheel with Krazy glue? You can't be serious if you think people don't take sharp turns from time to time and have to indicate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'll do it your way... ...huh? I was replying to this comment: Again, no it doesn't. The button should always be in the exact same position, relative to your thumb. Are you seriously telling me you never reposition your hands on the steering wheel? You are bad at reading. Try again. This is total nonsense: If you're turning that sharply, you're not going to need turn signals. Ever heard about U-turns? You need to signal while doing those too. That's just one example that disputes your position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll write it down simply and then I'm done because getting through to you is seemingly impossible. People sometimes need to turn on their indicators while not driving in a straight line. It happens, accept it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] psud@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I think you're right. People in this thread are forgetting that this steering yoke doesn't have anywhere to put your hands other than right next to the buttons A driving instructor saying "I couldn't use this on my first go" isn't a fatal argument for the control Sure a stick is probably superior, but I bet you could build muscle memory on a wheel that works like a race car's permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CallumWells@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago But it's not a yoke, it's a steering wheel, which generally turn up to 1 and 1/2 times each way, which with a small radius roundabout (which is a lot of them in Norway) means you'll have to go hand over hand to turn sharply enough, thus not having your hands on the exact same spots through the turn and thus not able to press the right haptic feedback panel at that time. See https://lemmy.ml/comment/7056795 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 years ago (10 children) The point is that there will be no way to handle the turn signal through muscle memory. With a traditional control, it is always in the same place in relation to your body. It doesn’t move. When it’s in the steering wheel, it can be in many, many different places. If you have media controls on your steering wheel, try using them during a turn without taking your eyes off the road. Now pretend they are smooth and act like a touch input on a dual shock controller. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (8 children) Your thumb stays at the same place on the steering wheel when you’re not driving straight? O.o permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (6 children) There are numerous times you would need to put your turn signal on when the steering wheel isn’t perfectly straight. A three point turn for instance. Exiting a roundabout in some places, a curved residential road. Just because you fail to think of scenarios it applies in, doesn’t mean it doesn’t apply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (4 children) Pretty honest conversation here. If you’re doing any of the things I just listed, you’re improperly driving if your thumbs aren’t moving. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s cute how you’re hung up on my wording, and completely ignoring my three very real situations where your thumbs are very likely nowhere near their normal position. Please tell me more about how I’m arguing dishonestly with what should have been obvious was a hyperbolic statement. 😉 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago Whatever you need to tell yourself to avoid the situation I suppose. I just wanted to make sure you knew it was pretty transparent. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (9 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 9 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (8 children) Your thumb stays at the same place on the steering wheel when you’re not driving straight? O.o permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (6 children) There are numerous times you would need to put your turn signal on when the steering wheel isn’t perfectly straight. A three point turn for instance. Exiting a roundabout in some places, a curved residential road. Just because you fail to think of scenarios it applies in, doesn’t mean it doesn’t apply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (4 children) Pretty honest conversation here. If you’re doing any of the things I just listed, you’re improperly driving if your thumbs aren’t moving. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s cute how you’re hung up on my wording, and completely ignoring my three very real situations where your thumbs are very likely nowhere near their normal position. Please tell me more about how I’m arguing dishonestly with what should have been obvious was a hyperbolic statement. 😉 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago Whatever you need to tell yourself to avoid the situation I suppose. I just wanted to make sure you knew it was pretty transparent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago (8 children) Your thumb stays at the same place on the steering wheel when you’re not driving straight? O.o permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (6 children) There are numerous times you would need to put your turn signal on when the steering wheel isn’t perfectly straight. A three point turn for instance. Exiting a roundabout in some places, a curved residential road. Just because you fail to think of scenarios it applies in, doesn’t mean it doesn’t apply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (4 children) Pretty honest conversation here. If you’re doing any of the things I just listed, you’re improperly driving if your thumbs aren’t moving. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s cute how you’re hung up on my wording, and completely ignoring my three very real situations where your thumbs are very likely nowhere near their normal position. Please tell me more about how I’m arguing dishonestly with what should have been obvious was a hyperbolic statement. 😉 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago Whatever you need to tell yourself to avoid the situation I suppose. I just wanted to make sure you knew it was pretty transparent. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (6 children) There are numerous times you would need to put your turn signal on when the steering wheel isn’t perfectly straight. A three point turn for instance. Exiting a roundabout in some places, a curved residential road. Just because you fail to think of scenarios it applies in, doesn’t mean it doesn’t apply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (4 children) Pretty honest conversation here. If you’re doing any of the things I just listed, you’re improperly driving if your thumbs aren’t moving. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s cute how you’re hung up on my wording, and completely ignoring my three very real situations where your thumbs are very likely nowhere near their normal position. Please tell me more about how I’m arguing dishonestly with what should have been obvious was a hyperbolic statement. 😉 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago Whatever you need to tell yourself to avoid the situation I suppose. I just wanted to make sure you knew it was pretty transparent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (6 children) There are numerous times you would need to put your turn signal on when the steering wheel isn’t perfectly straight. A three point turn for instance. Exiting a roundabout in some places, a curved residential road. Just because you fail to think of scenarios it applies in, doesn’t mean it doesn’t apply. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (4 children) Pretty honest conversation here. If you’re doing any of the things I just listed, you’re improperly driving if your thumbs aren’t moving. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s cute how you’re hung up on my wording, and completely ignoring my three very real situations where your thumbs are very likely nowhere near their normal position. Please tell me more about how I’m arguing dishonestly with what should have been obvious was a hyperbolic statement. 😉 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago Whatever you need to tell yourself to avoid the situation I suppose. I just wanted to make sure you knew it was pretty transparent. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (4 children) Pretty honest conversation here. If you’re doing any of the things I just listed, you’re improperly driving if your thumbs aren’t moving. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s cute how you’re hung up on my wording, and completely ignoring my three very real situations where your thumbs are very likely nowhere near their normal position. Please tell me more about how I’m arguing dishonestly with what should have been obvious was a hyperbolic statement. 😉 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago Whatever you need to tell yourself to avoid the situation I suppose. I just wanted to make sure you knew it was pretty transparent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 2 years ago (4 children) Pretty honest conversation here. If you’re doing any of the things I just listed, you’re improperly driving if your thumbs aren’t moving. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s cute how you’re hung up on my wording, and completely ignoring my three very real situations where your thumbs are very likely nowhere near their normal position. Please tell me more about how I’m arguing dishonestly with what should have been obvious was a hyperbolic statement. 😉 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago Whatever you need to tell yourself to avoid the situation I suppose. I just wanted to make sure you knew it was pretty transparent. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s cute how you’re hung up on my wording, and completely ignoring my three very real situations where your thumbs are very likely nowhere near their normal position. Please tell me more about how I’m arguing dishonestly with what should have been obvious was a hyperbolic statement. 😉 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago Whatever you need to tell yourself to avoid the situation I suppose. I just wanted to make sure you knew it was pretty transparent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 years ago (2 children) It’s cute how you’re hung up on my wording, and completely ignoring my three very real situations where your thumbs are very likely nowhere near their normal position. Please tell me more about how I’m arguing dishonestly with what should have been obvious was a hyperbolic statement. 😉 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago Whatever you need to tell yourself to avoid the situation I suppose. I just wanted to make sure you knew it was pretty transparent. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago Whatever you need to tell yourself to avoid the situation I suppose. I just wanted to make sure you knew it was pretty transparent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 years ago Whatever you need to tell yourself to avoid the situation I suppose. I just wanted to make sure you knew it was pretty transparent. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 10 points 2 years ago (17 children) That's not the issue, imagining driving through a roundabout that curves left and having to find a button somewhere on the steering wheel, which is at an angle, in order to indicate right before turning tight in order to exit the roundabout. A stalk will always be in the same position. The same cannot be said for buttons. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 17 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (7 children) Drivers frequently change their hand placement as they turn the wheel. You lose precision and basic ability to manipulate the wheel if you don't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) Quoting yourself won't magically make you right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So why do it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It was. You're just plain wrong so it was ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (7 children) Again, it depends on the angle of the steering wheel. The buttons may be upside down if the car is turning sharply enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (5 children) Do you stick your hands to the steering wheel with Krazy glue? You can't be serious if you think people don't take sharp turns from time to time and have to indicate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'll do it your way... ...huh? I was replying to this comment: Again, no it doesn't. The button should always be in the exact same position, relative to your thumb. Are you seriously telling me you never reposition your hands on the steering wheel? You are bad at reading. Try again. This is total nonsense: If you're turning that sharply, you're not going to need turn signals. Ever heard about U-turns? You need to signal while doing those too. That's just one example that disputes your position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll write it down simply and then I'm done because getting through to you is seemingly impossible. People sometimes need to turn on their indicators while not driving in a straight line. It happens, accept it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (16 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 16 child comments replies: [–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (7 children) Drivers frequently change their hand placement as they turn the wheel. You lose precision and basic ability to manipulate the wheel if you don't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) Quoting yourself won't magically make you right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So why do it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It was. You're just plain wrong so it was ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (7 children) Again, it depends on the angle of the steering wheel. The buttons may be upside down if the car is turning sharply enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (5 children) Do you stick your hands to the steering wheel with Krazy glue? You can't be serious if you think people don't take sharp turns from time to time and have to indicate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'll do it your way... ...huh? I was replying to this comment: Again, no it doesn't. The button should always be in the exact same position, relative to your thumb. Are you seriously telling me you never reposition your hands on the steering wheel? You are bad at reading. Try again. This is total nonsense: If you're turning that sharply, you're not going to need turn signals. Ever heard about U-turns? You need to signal while doing those too. That's just one example that disputes your position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll write it down simply and then I'm done because getting through to you is seemingly impossible. People sometimes need to turn on their indicators while not driving in a straight line. It happens, accept it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] BombOmOm@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (7 children) Drivers frequently change their hand placement as they turn the wheel. You lose precision and basic ability to manipulate the wheel if you don't. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) Quoting yourself won't magically make you right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So why do it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It was. You're just plain wrong so it was ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) Quoting yourself won't magically make you right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So why do it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It was. You're just plain wrong so it was ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) Quoting yourself won't magically make you right. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So why do it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It was. You're just plain wrong so it was ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So why do it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It was. You're just plain wrong so it was ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (3 children) So why do it? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It was. You're just plain wrong so it was ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It was. You're just plain wrong so it was ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 1 point 2 years ago (1 child) It was. You're just plain wrong so it was ignored. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (7 children) Again, it depends on the angle of the steering wheel. The buttons may be upside down if the car is turning sharply enough. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 7 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (5 children) Do you stick your hands to the steering wheel with Krazy glue? You can't be serious if you think people don't take sharp turns from time to time and have to indicate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'll do it your way... ...huh? I was replying to this comment: Again, no it doesn't. The button should always be in the exact same position, relative to your thumb. Are you seriously telling me you never reposition your hands on the steering wheel? You are bad at reading. Try again. This is total nonsense: If you're turning that sharply, you're not going to need turn signals. Ever heard about U-turns? You need to signal while doing those too. That's just one example that disputes your position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll write it down simply and then I'm done because getting through to you is seemingly impossible. People sometimes need to turn on their indicators while not driving in a straight line. It happens, accept it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (6 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (5 children) Do you stick your hands to the steering wheel with Krazy glue? You can't be serious if you think people don't take sharp turns from time to time and have to indicate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'll do it your way... ...huh? I was replying to this comment: Again, no it doesn't. The button should always be in the exact same position, relative to your thumb. Are you seriously telling me you never reposition your hands on the steering wheel? You are bad at reading. Try again. This is total nonsense: If you're turning that sharply, you're not going to need turn signals. Ever heard about U-turns? You need to signal while doing those too. That's just one example that disputes your position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll write it down simply and then I'm done because getting through to you is seemingly impossible. People sometimes need to turn on their indicators while not driving in a straight line. It happens, accept it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (5 children) Do you stick your hands to the steering wheel with Krazy glue? You can't be serious if you think people don't take sharp turns from time to time and have to indicate. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 5 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'll do it your way... ...huh? I was replying to this comment: Again, no it doesn't. The button should always be in the exact same position, relative to your thumb. Are you seriously telling me you never reposition your hands on the steering wheel? You are bad at reading. Try again. This is total nonsense: If you're turning that sharply, you're not going to need turn signals. Ever heard about U-turns? You need to signal while doing those too. That's just one example that disputes your position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll write it down simply and then I'm done because getting through to you is seemingly impossible. People sometimes need to turn on their indicators while not driving in a straight line. It happens, accept it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'll do it your way... ...huh? I was replying to this comment: Again, no it doesn't. The button should always be in the exact same position, relative to your thumb. Are you seriously telling me you never reposition your hands on the steering wheel? You are bad at reading. Try again. This is total nonsense: If you're turning that sharply, you're not going to need turn signals. Ever heard about U-turns? You need to signal while doing those too. That's just one example that disputes your position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll write it down simply and then I'm done because getting through to you is seemingly impossible. People sometimes need to turn on their indicators while not driving in a straight line. It happens, accept it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (3 children) I'll do it your way... ...huh? I was replying to this comment: Again, no it doesn't. The button should always be in the exact same position, relative to your thumb. Are you seriously telling me you never reposition your hands on the steering wheel? You are bad at reading. Try again. This is total nonsense: If you're turning that sharply, you're not going to need turn signals. Ever heard about U-turns? You need to signal while doing those too. That's just one example that disputes your position. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 3 child comments replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll write it down simply and then I'm done because getting through to you is seemingly impossible. People sometimes need to turn on their indicators while not driving in a straight line. It happens, accept it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[+] helenslunch@feddit.nl -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll write it down simply and then I'm done because getting through to you is seemingly impossible. People sometimes need to turn on their indicators while not driving in a straight line. It happens, accept it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Threeme2189@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 years ago (1 child) I'll write it down simply and then I'm done because getting through to you is seemingly impossible. People sometimes need to turn on their indicators while not driving in a straight line. It happens, accept it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [+] helenslunch@feddit.nl 1 point 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
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[–] psud@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) I think you're right. People in this thread are forgetting that this steering yoke doesn't have anywhere to put your hands other than right next to the buttons A driving instructor saying "I couldn't use this on my first go" isn't a fatal argument for the control Sure a stick is probably superior, but I bet you could build muscle memory on a wheel that works like a race car's permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 1 child comment replies: [–] CallumWells@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago But it's not a yoke, it's a steering wheel, which generally turn up to 1 and 1/2 times each way, which with a small radius roundabout (which is a lot of them in Norway) means you'll have to go hand over hand to turn sharply enough, thus not having your hands on the exact same spots through the turn and thus not able to press the right haptic feedback panel at that time. See https://lemmy.ml/comment/7056795 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CallumWells@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 years ago But it's not a yoke, it's a steering wheel, which generally turn up to 1 and 1/2 times each way, which with a small radius roundabout (which is a lot of them in Norway) means you'll have to go hand over hand to turn sharply enough, thus not having your hands on the exact same spots through the turn and thus not able to press the right haptic feedback panel at that time. See https://lemmy.ml/comment/7056795 permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Wrench@lemmy.world 69 points 2 years ago In addition to roundabouts, there are plenty of freeway exists that loop around where you can be at an extreme turn and need to initiate a lane change. Or making a right turn into a gas station after a left turn at an intersection... lots of use cases. permalink fedilink source parent