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[–] 80 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Covered in the article. In Norway you are required to signal when exiting a roundabout. It's a fair concern.

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  • [–] 58 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Just in civilized countries, not only Norway.

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  • [+] -6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Some countries don't have roundabouts

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  • [–] 36 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Civilized countries have roundabout

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    It's a significantly more efficient way for dealing with high-traffic in a cross-roads situation (though less safe than traffic signs) and pretty much a must if you get 5 or more roads converging and not enough to space to merge a few of those upstream.

    However it takes some practice to be comfortable using them, plus they're most efficient when drivers reliably signal their intention to exit (because it allows people waiting to go in to know earlier that it's safe to do so).

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Good signalling on roundabouts is basic driving skills you learn when getting your license, but for sure not everyone does it properly every time. In the Netherlands there's roundabouts that work around this by having physical lanes that dispatch the vehicles to the exits, so if you're trying to get in and see they're in that exit lane you can go in knowing there's no way they will stay on.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago*

    Well, I've lived in The Netherlands and I would say that the extra complexity of the bicycle path (which generally leads to a bicycle roundabout outside the car one) does push for having to help drivers a bit extra in the absence of traffic signs managing the thing (since anybody exiting the roundabout still has to give way to bicycles).

    That said, even in my own native Portugal, were maybe 9 out of 10 of all drivers do not properly and reliably use the direction indicators (from personal experience I would say the quality of driving here is one of, if not THE, worst in Europe) roundabouts are all over the place, clearly help and don't seem to be any more accident prone than regular T and X junctions.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    At least in Cities Skylines 1&2, where the player has a good overview of the behavior, they only work for low to medium amount of traffic. If you have one side sending in cars constantly, the others never get an opportunity to enter the roundabout, so there’s a traffic jam spanning through the whole city behind it.

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  • [–] 2 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    And Australia, at least state of NSW made it mandatory

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's law across the whole country

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm pretty sure you don't have to signal when exiting a roundabout in Victoria. We might be the outlier though. In Vic it's also legal to U turn anywhere, unless a sign specifically prohibits it.

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago (1 child)

    You may be odd, though the national law is no U-turns at lights unless there is a permissive sign, allowed to U-turn anywhere else unless there's a restrictive sign

    Be careful when driving interstate!

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  • [–] 1 point 2 years ago

    My understanding was that most road rules are state-based, not federal.

    I'm any case, I'm 100% certain that in Victoria, you can ways chuck a uey unless a sign prohibits it. Doesn't matter if there are traffic lights or not.

    It's definitely something we have to be mindful of when driving interstate! I think a lot of Vic drivers on holidays get done for illegal U turns.

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  • [+] -13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 15 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The point is that there will be no way to handle the turn signal through muscle memory. With a traditional control, it is always in the same place in relation to your body. It doesn’t move. When it’s in the steering wheel, it can be in many, many different places. If you have media controls on your steering wheel, try using them during a turn without taking your eyes off the road. Now pretend they are smooth and act like a touch input on a dual shock controller.

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  • [+] -7 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Your thumb stays at the same place on the steering wheel when you’re not driving straight? O.o

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    There are numerous times you would need to put your turn signal on when the steering wheel isn’t perfectly straight. A three point turn for instance. Exiting a roundabout in some places, a curved residential road. Just because you fail to think of scenarios it applies in, doesn’t mean it doesn’t apply.

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  • [+] -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
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    Pretty honest conversation here. If you’re doing any of the things I just listed, you’re improperly driving if your thumbs aren’t moving.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    It’s cute how you’re hung up on my wording, and completely ignoring my three very real situations where your thumbs are very likely nowhere near their normal position.

    Please tell me more about how I’m arguing dishonestly with what should have been obvious was a hyperbolic statement. 😉

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    That's not the issue, imagining driving through a roundabout that curves left and having to find a button somewhere on the steering wheel, which is at an angle, in order to indicate right before turning tight in order to exit the roundabout.

    A stalk will always be in the same position. The same cannot be said for buttons.

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  • [+] -10 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Drivers frequently change their hand placement as they turn the wheel. You lose precision and basic ability to manipulate the wheel if you don't.

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  • [+] -3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Quoting yourself won't magically make you right.

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    Again, it depends on the angle of the steering wheel. The buttons may be upside down if the car is turning sharply enough.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Do you stick your hands to the steering wheel with Krazy glue?

    You can't be serious if you think people don't take sharp turns from time to time and have to indicate.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'll do it your way...

    ...huh?

    I was replying to this comment:

    Again, no it doesn't. The button should always be in the exact same position, relative to your thumb.

    Are you seriously telling me you never reposition your hands on the steering wheel?

    You are bad at reading. Try again.

    This is total nonsense:

    If you're turning that sharply, you're not going to need turn signals.

    Ever heard about U-turns? You need to signal while doing those too. That's just one example that disputes your position.

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  • [+] -2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    I think you're right. People in this thread are forgetting that this steering yoke doesn't have anywhere to put your hands other than right next to the buttons

    A driving instructor saying "I couldn't use this on my first go" isn't a fatal argument for the control

    Sure a stick is probably superior, but I bet you could build muscle memory on a wheel that works like a race car's

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    But it's not a yoke, it's a steering wheel, which generally turn up to 1 and 1/2 times each way, which with a small radius roundabout (which is a lot of them in Norway) means you'll have to go hand over hand to turn sharply enough, thus not having your hands on the exact same spots through the turn and thus not able to press the right haptic feedback panel at that time.

    See https://lemmy.ml/comment/7056795

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