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Tesla is banned from driving schools because of new turn signals (electrek.co)
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[–] 166 points 2 years ago (3 children)

For those that don't want to read the article:

Tesla is going with buttons on the steering wheel instead of a stick to the left of the wheel

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  • [–] 141 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Tesla is going with buttons on the steering wheel instead of a stick to the left of the wheel

    Its even worse than that. The buttons are smooth surface (like a touch screen) with haptic feedback. These are truly a horrible idea:

    If I had one of these Tesla cars I'd look into retrofitting the stalks back in.

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  • [–] 79 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    Wtf, seriously? I've tried using media buttons on the steering wheel during a turn. It's not reliable in the slightest, because it's a moving target.

    Does the non circular steering non-wheel never go past 90 degrees or something?

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  • [–] 39 points 2 years ago

    I once accidentally dialed 911 from my steering wheel phone buttons while pulling a turn. Surprised the shit out of me and the dispatcher didn’t sound like this was the first call of the type. This is a fucking terrible idea.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Tbf you are supposed use the signal before turning wheel

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  • [–] 69 points 2 years ago

    In addition to roundabouts, there are plenty of freeway exists that loop around where you can be at an extreme turn and need to initiate a lane change. Or making a right turn into a gas station after a left turn at an intersection... lots of use cases.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    You wish but it’s not drive by wire. You steel to turn in multiple times in sharp angles. Of the ratio were to change relative to speed it would make sense but right now it’s just plain dumb.

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  • [–] 5 points 2 years ago*

    Not sure about the older teslas, but the cybertruck steering is way more sensitive, so you shouldn't need to turn it more than 90°. And the buttons on the wheel are at least normal clicky buttons now, instead of touch sensitive areas. Which is less bad, but still pretty bad.

    My old peugeot even has an extra stick behind the wheel for the radio control, and it's the best UX ever invented.

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  • [–] 47 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    In Norway, you have to indicate your exit in a roundabout by activating your turn signal, and he found it difficult while turning the steering wheel, which you have to do in a roundabout. A driving student would fail their test if they don’t activate their turn signal in a roundabout in Norway.

    He said:

    I tested the Model 3, and noticed that I lost both focus and direction in roundabouts. It’s not directly life-threatening, but you run the risk of both driving on curbs and other cars if there are two lanes.

    After posting his findings in a group for driving schools, he was met with agreement by many other instructors who said that they experienced the same issue and the risk is much higher with students.

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    It's like car features that have been around for 70+ years are the way they are for a reason.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Reminds me of the guy that built that sub that got crushed. There are standards in place for good reasons and ignoring them is a bad idea.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago*

    It should be painfully obvious by now that Elon Must is one of those "I know best" Pigheaded Ignorants.

    He always "knows best" so almost a century of auto engineering verified by trillions of hours of actual field use are meaningless next to his "superior" ideas (which whilst looking like UI design are painfully devoid of actual UI/UX expertise).

    It's the same reason why when he started Tesla he tried to fully automate car manufacturing whilst having zero experience in auto manufacturing and it blew up badly and all his early factories had to be retooled and hire actual auto-workers.

    No wander he turned out to be a rightwing-nutter: In my experience "I know best" Pigheaded Ignorants is one of the most common personality profiles in that tribe.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    People who actually know how to signal in a roundabout are a rare breed. Dunno how it's in other countries but the German rules actually make sense: Don't signal when entering. There's exactly one way to go, so why would you. Don't signal when driving around the roundabout as that's straight ahead (even if it's a circle). Do signal before the exit you want to take, this is for the benefit of people waiting to enter (or maybe those behind but only on 2-lane roundabouts). As a corollary: If you signal while you enter you're pining straight for the first exit... but honestly avoid it too many people signal wrong so it's better to not play fast+loose.

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  • [–] 4 points 2 years ago

    That's not the way I learned in France, where they make you signal left before entering and use the inner lane, only if you're going further than halfway through the roundabout.

    You signal right before entering only if you're taking the first exit.

    In any case you signal right after driving past the last exit before your own.

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  • [–] 3 points 2 years ago

    Australian rules are (we keep left and go clockwise around roundabouts)

    • If turning left, indicate left throughout the entry and exit
    • If turning right, indicate right, indicate left after the exit before the one you are using
    • If going straight ahead don't indicate on entry, indicate left after the exit before the one you're taking

    I'm sure most people follow the rules, but I see a lot who indicate wrong, and the drivers of the various premium brands don't indicate at all ever

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