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[–] [email protected] 42 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Even if it did, and I wouldn't take Israels best ally as complitelly objective fact, you don't just bomb a whole hospital full of civilians

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Isn't this the same hospital Israel allegedly leveled a few months back?

Edit: Nope, it was Al-Ahli Arab hospital.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

The article says it's the attack from November

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

From the Israeli point of view yes you do.

Hospitals being a forbidden target is important, civilians dying is not, because they don't care about civilians.

It's sad to see how something intended to become a Jewish nation after 2k years and so on became a dumbed down pidgin version of 1950s' late European colonialism.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

To defend that israel does not commit war crimes, I have seen zionists claim that if civilians are used for military purposes (involuntary human shield), they become valid military targets ._.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Could that same argument be applied to army reservists in a country with mandatory military service?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I'd say that arguement is stronger because they had their whole life to prepare not to serve a genocidal army, instead of being made to participiate in war with no choice or warning. If we evaluate both using the metric of Free and Prior Informed Consent we see one is measurably worse.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

It's because of the Geneva Convention (origin of the modern concept of war crimes.)

It's designed to be applied mutually, if only one side does then it's basically non-functioning.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

Absolutely not. We already had this argument in regards to Iraq and Afghanistan. War crimes are war crimes. You can get away with some of the more esoteric ones for not fighting a signatory to the Geneva Conventions, but slaughtering civilians en masse is a crime full stop.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I understand that many of the humanitarian safeguards and international law can be disadvantageous when only one side gets things right.
But those are important guarantees, they are even used to differentiate the supposedly "good and civilized", if they are discarded every time they are inconvenient, aren't they just dead letter?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Oh, war criminal talk. Gotcha.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Yup. I think there's a difference between the factual claim of whether Hamas has operations on the hospital grounds vs the justification for the type of military action taken against the hospital. I think it is possible to accept there is truth to the Hamas operations center being located there and still condemn the military tactics used against the hospital due to civilian casualties and harm it caused. Unfortunately those 2 things seem to be conflates that acknowledgement of Hamas being there is implicitly condoning Israel's actions.