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Breaks with the Far Left, as most do. Progressives add nothing but complaints and no solutions.
This comment is laughably delusional. Single payer health care, ranked choice voting, ubi.
He means no solutions centrists and their republican best friends want.
More like the lack of means to pay for all their "ideas". Tax the rich isn't an actual idea.
M4A would cost less than our current system, and you see no need to handwring about its current wasteful cost while people go into medical bankruptcy and then die preventable deaths.
Increasing the minimum wage? Getting rid of "right to work" anti-union legislation? Encouraging co-ops? Antitrust laws with teeth? Police accountability? Not dragging our feet for decades on civil rights laws? Ending the war on drugs in favor of harm reduction? Yeah, wasteful as hell, all of them.
We need that money so we can fund fighter jets designed for three wars ago, and perpetuating the racist war on drugs, and funding kill-ology classes for police, and disregarding 26 environmental laws to build Trump's wall for him, and shoveling no-strings-attached money to Netanyahu for genocide. Funding for those "ideas" needs no justification, ever.
But anything that might have direct tangible benefit for US Citizens without having to be filtered through corporations first? "How are we gonna pay for it" say centrists and Republicans alike, in perfect unison.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(19)33019-3/fulltext
The Lancet says M4A would save 450 billion and 68,000 lives annually. But what do they know?
Since centrists never once thought about how to pay for their "idea" of maintaining a cruel status quo, it's being paid for with bankruptcies and people's lives.
That's not what the receipts I provided say.
Repeating orthodoxy in the face of evidence and baselessly labeling it "reality" is what passes for "ideas"?
You said that progressives can't pay for their proposals. I showed a progressive proposal that saves over the status quo (along with a stack of other policies you ignored, and reprehensible wastes of money that centrists never fret about paying for). When pressed, I provided receipts. M4A would save money and lives.
By this point in the conversation, most centrists would have become condescending and abusive or would have started slinging wild accusations that I'm a Russian or a Trumpist.
But you're a mod and have to set an example, so all you have is repetition of something that has already been debunked.
Tell me more about how progressives don't have any ideas.
Yes, centrists work with Republicans to maintain a status quo in which we waste obscene amounts of money and tens of thousands die unnecessarily every year.
Your gloating about this does not mean that progressives lack ideas.
Congratulations on all the waste and death.
Ironic, all you’re doing is complaining and adding nothing but you’re not a leftist?
From a Mod no less! In a general politics sub. How on earth is this person a moderator on a politics sub? If you want to wade in throwing bombs, be a user, if you want to be a mod, don't troll like half your readers.
They're a former US military member, "moderate", and arab genocide enthusiast.