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[–] [email protected] 80 points 9 months ago (27 children)

I can partially speak to this from the inside so to speak. I'm not that old, but I had a heart attack and open heart surgery at the end of 2018 and complication after complication through all of 2019.

All of which puts me at greater risk for depression and suicide.

Just when I was medically cleared to go back to the office, we shut down for covid and I haven't been back since.

I started looking for a support group for heart attack/open heart surgery survivors and it was far, far more difficult than I thought.

Plenty of support groups for other conditions, plenty of support groups that advertised as women only, I really couldn't find anything that accepted men.

I didn't need a "mens only" group, just someone who wouldn't turn me away due to my gender.

I finally reached out to one of the women's groups going "Look, I know I'm not your demo, but I hope you can direct me..."

They set me up with a national org, https://mendedhearts.org/ who had an unbranded chapter in my area and I got to talk to people in my situation, it helped, but it was not easy getting there.

There were other problems during lockdown, I became a victim of domestic violence, against which I was helpless due to my medical conditions.

Same problem. No real support for male victims of domestic violence either.

The police directed me to various mental health agencies, for both myself and my wife, but this was peak covid and NONE of them called us back. NONE. Not even a "sorry, we aren't taking new patients", they just completely ghosted us.

My wife finally found a therapist who would "see" her remotely, which was a condition of our staying married, and things did get better.

But after all that... it was really dumb luck. Other folks aren't as lucky.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (16 children)

Men can help each other and SHOULD help each other. Women's groups exist because women recognized issues and organized themselves to help each other. This is why women's DV shelters exist, for example. (BTW, women's DV shelters may help men in need, there are arrangements that can be made to help but keep women and kids separated for their mental health and safety.)

Men can do the same thing and should do the same thing. Perhaps growing that sense of community and learning how to help others will build the social support that men seem to be lacking. But you men have to do it collectively yourself - no one "somebody" will do it for you.

I hope you are doing better these days. (Edit): I do not expect you personally to be able to do the hard work of organizing a DV shelter. This is why it is so important for men as a class to work together to support each other too.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 months ago

I seriously appreciate all of the points you're making, but the idea of men and women as cohesive social units here might not be realistic or helpful, especially for issues affecting sub-groups. Sometimes the people actively working to improve something are fighting an uphill battle against societal expectations and/or larger portions of their own group who don't recognize it as an issue. I'm sure you know that doesn't make it any less valid.

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