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Why are some right wing talking points similar to communist ones (Russia/Ukraine) (hexbear.net)

submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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I'm trying to learn more about the Russia/Ukraine conflict. In the articles that I find that seem to be critical of Ukraine, there are a few that are right wing that seem to have similar viewpoints as what I've read on here or in the more leftist articles.

For example this piece from National Interest, or this from the CATO institute.

There are others that aren't flagged as right wing that are critical, but it's just got me wondering, why would right wing politicians/publications perceive these things similarly to how some communists would when the ideologies of both are so extremely opposite?

Disclaimer: I'm not pro-ukraine at all, but in my search for info that's not super pro-Ukraine propaganda, this is the stuff that comes up for me

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

American fascists believe that the US should team up with Russia (which, for all its faults, is still a Christian and “anti-woke” nation) to take down China

This is absolute delusion that will never happen unless Russia is regime changed. Russia and China are closer than ever before, and Russia and America are more alienated than ever before. 0% chance of this in the short to medium term.

The conservatives I've been hearing being anti-Ukraine aren't fascists, they are "realist" more moderate conservatives like The Duran and Mearsheimer. They actually talk positively about China and don't buy into the sinophobic fear mongering.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If they lack principles (i.e., if they are liberals or fascists or conservatives or libertarians or whatever you want to call them) I can’t trust them.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Have fun with your pure anti-war movement of 15 communists

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

There's no anti-war movement at all in the US, pure or impure.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Communist purists were the only ones who knew that WW1 was a bad idea right from the beginning. One of them ended up being the first premier of the USSR.

And anyway, I didn’t say that these guys you mentioned were wrong. But because they lack a dialectical materialist analysis, they can only be right by accident. Like, I’ve listened to Scott Ritter talk about Ukraine and appreciate his view, but the guy seems to think that there is nothing wrong with American imperialism, just that the “corrupt globalist elites” are doing it poorly.