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[–] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 288 points 2 years ago (5 children) Maybe less investment in trying to monopolise the market and more investment in developing their shopping platform so it’s not a smouldering turd. permalink fedilink source hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 96 points 2 years ago (2 children) This is the most asinine approach IMO. "Let's release a worse product. Hey, no one likes it. Okay, let's spend money on games so THEY can essentially force people to use our software. Hey, still, no one really likes it. Okay, let's try to give away stuff for free. Hey, people use our thing for the free stuff but still no one likes it for any other reason." They just keep spending money to up their numbers and their product is still missing features and inferior to competition. They spend big money on exclusivity, but that is only temporary - if that's how you're getting your customers, you're going to have to keep doing it forever to retain them. If people only use you for free stuff, you're just going to have to keep giving stuff away at a loss to retain them. This model is not sustainable. You're not doing anything that aligns value with your customers besides just throwing free stuff at them. That's not a business. What's especially sad to me is they could literally have just spent that same money to improve their launcher and have an actual product. Instead they've invested in temporary stats. They're essentially bankrolling other devs on games with temporary popularity instead of in their lifelong product. Using other games exclusivity as sway into your ecosystem only works when you have a good product the person would be interested in but they haven't seen it yet. EGS is currently something people are essentially coerced into using but no one really gets any real value out of it other than "well I couldn't buy this game anywhere else" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (1 child) Plus it's not like there wasn't room for a good shopping client, if you go smart about it. Steam had at the time - and still has - tons of bad UI design, stemming for its very old layouts wrangling with newer client additions and changes. Plus Steam for the longest time until the new client solved it had serious issues with late boots and hanging closures. GOG had just tried to bring out their own client a few years before, but in the move to GOG Galaxy had gotten a lot of ire and fucked a lot of things up. All the per-developer clients were berated constantly. There was room there. But Epic, hell, this is so not it. Your client is so much worse than even the bad competitors... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Moneo@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago Steam may suck at extra goodies like streaming but they sure as hell don't suck at selling games. Constant sales, cloud saves, pre-downloads, a solid friend system for co-op games. They nail all the important shit and that's really all that matters to most people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ThunderingJerboa@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago I think it just depends on how long they can do this. I think they are banking on getting the fortnite kiddies hooked on the store. They typically have far less disposable income (yet they still charge kids for 20$ skins), they will most likely not have a super large steam library (probably due to the aformentioned skins) so they are banking on the store being that kids default to Epic rather than steam. Its not terribly odd since Steam basically did the same thing, when it used to have those mega sales with the flash sales and the such. That is when the love for Steam basically exploded and its been cruising on that hypetrain for a while. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 41 points 2 years ago We made the shittiest thing and nobody likes it. We’re all out of ideas. permalink fedilink source parent [–] designatedhacker@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago Yeah, if I'm reading that right they're complaining that they're stuck at phase one of enshitification - lose money on aquiring users. The reason behind that is they're not able to monopolize the market for their games. "These damn mobile stores won't let us turn the corner and put the clamps on our users. Fix it please." permalink fedilink source parent [–] PrMinisterGR@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago If you count all of Steam’s features (Steam Input, Big Picture Mode, Proton etc), then Epic has decades of catching up to do. The problem is that usually executives will choose the “easy way out” of problems, so let’s just give free games instead of making a good platform. permalink fedilink source parent [+] Fredselfish@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (4 children) Well not to discourage them but I like Epic games because every Thursday they give me a free game sometimes two. Hell all the 100 games I own on their platform I gotten for free. So maybe that's why it's not profitable? Beyond that I see no monopoly every game on their I can find on Steam and so far have had no issues with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Zorque@kbin.social 94 points 2 years ago (2 children) They literally pay for exclusivity. It's weird that people seem to selectively ignore that every time someone brings up their desire to get free games from them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is the main reason why I never made an account, despite the free games. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maestro@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic still has to pay the developers even if they give away the game for free. I'm happy to help bleed Epic dry by taking their free games. But I will never ever spend a single cent on their platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Same If I buy a game it will be either directly from the maker or Steam. Epic strictly for the free games. permalink fedilink source parent [–] highsight@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) I mean, I get why people hate this, but some games would literally not exist if not for that exclusivity funding. For example, the newly released Alan Wake 2 is completely funded by Epic. I'd say at that point, the exclusivity is fair game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] micka190@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago After Control's success, I'd imagine AW2 still would've been made even without Epic's exclusivity/publishing deal. If anything, Control's timed EGS exclusivity hurt their numbers until they eventually hit Steam. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cottonmon@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago Epic funding games development was only a recent thing. For the most part, they were buying exclusivity for games that were already set to be released or were already in active development. The other reason why this was hated was because they bought exclusivity for games that were crowd-funded back when the store was newly opened. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CMDR_Horn@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago Epic funding games just makes them a publisher, nothing groundbreaking. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have not bought a single game from their store. I have over 300. I also haven't played any of the games I got for free. Maybe one day I will, but today is not that day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I started playing a few and they play well and so far are fun. Have had no issues with the platform. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Davel23@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) every game on their [sic] I can find on Steam Oh yeah? Find these: 3 out of 10 A Knight's Quest Alan Wake Remastered Alan Wake 2 Assassin's Creed Mirage Battle Breakers Binary Smoke Castle Storm 2 Core Corruption 2029 Crime Boss: Rockay City Dangerous Driving Dauntless Dead Island 2 Diabotical Ghostbusters: Spirits Unleashed Goat Simulator 3 Grit Infinitesimals John Carpenter's Toxic Commando Kid A Mnesia Exhibition Kingdom Hearts series The Lord of the Rings: Return to Moria Ooblets PC Building Simulator 2 ReadySet Heroes Rocket League RollerCoaster Tycoon Adventures Salt and Sacrifice Saturnalia The Settlers: New Allies Shoulders of Giants Sins of a Solar Empire II Space Punks Star Trek: Resurgence Tchia The Crew Motorfest The Expanse: A Telltale Series Tortuga - A Pirate’s Tale Touch Type Tale Witchfire The Wolf Among Us 2 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago I don't know about any of the others, but at least Rocket League and Fall Guys are great examples here. Both games already existed and were extremely successful on Steam. Both games got bought by Epic and we were told they were going to get continued support. Both games were then REMOVED from Steam. Both games then started suddenly having objectively worse monetization. Both communities grew a pretty negative opinion of the changes. Both games are objectively less popular now, though at least some of this is just age/fads. But both games are just objectively in a worse spot than they were before. All Epic did was make them objectively worse. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) This list is just another argument against epic... artificial exclusives. For a FUCKING LAUNCHER. Even fucking Playstation, EA and Ubisoft opened up. Fuck Epic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fucking Playstation is not better than Epic with handling exclusives lmfao come on now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are literally releasing their games on another platform that actually requires them to put money into the project again to develop a port. So yeah, even PS atm is better than Epic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So Playstation releasing some of their games literally years later as often sub-par ports is better than being able to play a game day 1 native on PC? I'd love to hear to the logic for that lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's better than keeping them artificially locked behind a launcher for no reason whatsoever, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just let me get that straight. You also don't like exclusives and want ppl to be able to play the way they want. ...and somehow Playstation - actively releasing their games on PC, investing time, money & effort - are worse than Epic who just want to lure ppl to their store/launcher and actively taking away the choice of playing method? Alrighty then... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic also releases their games on PC lol And they release them day 1, without the multiple year wait from console release, and not as shitty ports. Fuck yes that's better than PlayStation, it's a no-brainer. I'm truly baffled that anyone could have this take seriously. PC =/= Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent [–] panchzila@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago They bought fall guys and removed the possibility of buying it on steam. And timed exclusives like borderlands 3. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OrgunDonor@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Battle Breakers This is a bad example to put down, can't find that on the epic store either. https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/epic-is-turning-off-online-services-and-servers-for-some-older-games permalink fedilink source parent [+] Carighan@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago Okay, fair, there are some exclusives. But reading through these, wow, nothing of value is lost. Most importantly because for the newest ones like AW2, they're just on a 1 year Early Access release in a lot of ways. Every time someone I know bought a game there, I was grateful they did the paid (as in, they pay, not get paid) bug testing work for the poor devs. And then once it releases on other stores, you can buy a somewhat patched-up version, and usually for 25%-50% off. permalink fedilink source parent [+] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 96 points 2 years ago (2 children) This is the most asinine approach IMO. "Let's release a worse product. Hey, no one likes it. Okay, let's spend money on games so THEY can essentially force people to use our software. Hey, still, no one really likes it. Okay, let's try to give away stuff for free. Hey, people use our thing for the free stuff but still no one likes it for any other reason." They just keep spending money to up their numbers and their product is still missing features and inferior to competition. They spend big money on exclusivity, but that is only temporary - if that's how you're getting your customers, you're going to have to keep doing it forever to retain them. If people only use you for free stuff, you're just going to have to keep giving stuff away at a loss to retain them. This model is not sustainable. You're not doing anything that aligns value with your customers besides just throwing free stuff at them. That's not a business. What's especially sad to me is they could literally have just spent that same money to improve their launcher and have an actual product. Instead they've invested in temporary stats. They're essentially bankrolling other devs on games with temporary popularity instead of in their lifelong product. Using other games exclusivity as sway into your ecosystem only works when you have a good product the person would be interested in but they haven't seen it yet. EGS is currently something people are essentially coerced into using but no one really gets any real value out of it other than "well I couldn't buy this game anywhere else" permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] Carighan@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (1 child) Plus it's not like there wasn't room for a good shopping client, if you go smart about it. Steam had at the time - and still has - tons of bad UI design, stemming for its very old layouts wrangling with newer client additions and changes. Plus Steam for the longest time until the new client solved it had serious issues with late boots and hanging closures. GOG had just tried to bring out their own client a few years before, but in the move to GOG Galaxy had gotten a lot of ire and fucked a lot of things up. All the per-developer clients were berated constantly. There was room there. But Epic, hell, this is so not it. Your client is so much worse than even the bad competitors... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Moneo@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago Steam may suck at extra goodies like streaming but they sure as hell don't suck at selling games. Constant sales, cloud saves, pre-downloads, a solid friend system for co-op games. They nail all the important shit and that's really all that matters to most people. permalink fedilink source parent [–] ThunderingJerboa@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago I think it just depends on how long they can do this. I think they are banking on getting the fortnite kiddies hooked on the store. They typically have far less disposable income (yet they still charge kids for 20$ skins), they will most likely not have a super large steam library (probably due to the aformentioned skins) so they are banking on the store being that kids default to Epic rather than steam. Its not terribly odd since Steam basically did the same thing, when it used to have those mega sales with the flash sales and the such. That is when the love for Steam basically exploded and its been cruising on that hypetrain for a while. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (1 child) Plus it's not like there wasn't room for a good shopping client, if you go smart about it. Steam had at the time - and still has - tons of bad UI design, stemming for its very old layouts wrangling with newer client additions and changes. Plus Steam for the longest time until the new client solved it had serious issues with late boots and hanging closures. GOG had just tried to bring out their own client a few years before, but in the move to GOG Galaxy had gotten a lot of ire and fucked a lot of things up. All the per-developer clients were berated constantly. There was room there. But Epic, hell, this is so not it. Your client is so much worse than even the bad competitors... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Moneo@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago Steam may suck at extra goodies like streaming but they sure as hell don't suck at selling games. Constant sales, cloud saves, pre-downloads, a solid friend system for co-op games. They nail all the important shit and that's really all that matters to most people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Moneo@lemmy.world 37 points 2 years ago Steam may suck at extra goodies like streaming but they sure as hell don't suck at selling games. Constant sales, cloud saves, pre-downloads, a solid friend system for co-op games. They nail all the important shit and that's really all that matters to most people. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ThunderingJerboa@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago I think it just depends on how long they can do this. I think they are banking on getting the fortnite kiddies hooked on the store. They typically have far less disposable income (yet they still charge kids for 20$ skins), they will most likely not have a super large steam library (probably due to the aformentioned skins) so they are banking on the store being that kids default to Epic rather than steam. Its not terribly odd since Steam basically did the same thing, when it used to have those mega sales with the flash sales and the such. That is when the love for Steam basically exploded and its been cruising on that hypetrain for a while. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] ultratiem@lemmy.ca 41 points 2 years ago We made the shittiest thing and nobody likes it. We’re all out of ideas. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] designatedhacker@lemm.ee 13 points 2 years ago Yeah, if I'm reading that right they're complaining that they're stuck at phase one of enshitification - lose money on aquiring users. The reason behind that is they're not able to monopolize the market for their games. "These damn mobile stores won't let us turn the corner and put the clamps on our users. Fix it please." permalink fedilink source parent
[–] PrMinisterGR@lemmy.ml 2 points 2 years ago If you count all of Steam’s features (Steam Input, Big Picture Mode, Proton etc), then Epic has decades of catching up to do. The problem is that usually executives will choose the “easy way out” of problems, so let’s just give free games instead of making a good platform. permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Fredselfish@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago (4 children) Well not to discourage them but I like Epic games because every Thursday they give me a free game sometimes two. Hell all the 100 games I own on their platform I gotten for free. So maybe that's why it's not profitable? Beyond that I see no monopoly every game on their I can find on Steam and so far have had no issues with it. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 8 child comments replies: [–] Zorque@kbin.social 94 points 2 years ago (2 children) They literally pay for exclusivity. It's weird that people seem to selectively ignore that every time someone brings up their desire to get free games from them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is the main reason why I never made an account, despite the free games. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maestro@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic still has to pay the developers even if they give away the game for free. I'm happy to help bleed Epic dry by taking their free games. But I will never ever spend a single cent on their platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Same If I buy a game it will be either directly from the maker or Steam. Epic strictly for the free games. permalink fedilink source parent [–] highsight@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) I mean, I get why people hate this, but some games would literally not exist if not for that exclusivity funding. For example, the newly released Alan Wake 2 is completely funded by Epic. I'd say at that point, the exclusivity is fair game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] micka190@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago After Control's success, I'd imagine AW2 still would've been made even without Epic's exclusivity/publishing deal. If anything, Control's timed EGS exclusivity hurt their numbers until they eventually hit Steam. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cottonmon@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago Epic funding games development was only a recent thing. For the most part, they were buying exclusivity for games that were already set to be released or were already in active development. The other reason why this was hated was because they bought exclusivity for games that were crowd-funded back when the store was newly opened. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CMDR_Horn@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago Epic funding games just makes them a publisher, nothing groundbreaking. permalink fedilink source parent [–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have not bought a single game from their store. I have over 300. I also haven't played any of the games I got for free. Maybe one day I will, but today is not that day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I started playing a few and they play well and so far are fun. Have had no issues with the platform. permalink fedilink source parent [–] Davel23@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) every game on their [sic] I can find on Steam Oh yeah? Find these: 3 out of 10 A Knight's Quest Alan Wake Remastered Alan Wake 2 Assassin's Creed Mirage Battle Breakers Binary Smoke Castle Storm 2 Core Corruption 2029 Crime Boss: Rockay City Dangerous Driving Dauntless Dead Island 2 Diabotical Ghostbusters: Spirits Unleashed Goat Simulator 3 Grit Infinitesimals John Carpenter's Toxic Commando Kid A Mnesia Exhibition Kingdom Hearts series The Lord of the Rings: Return to Moria Ooblets PC Building Simulator 2 ReadySet Heroes Rocket League RollerCoaster Tycoon Adventures Salt and Sacrifice Saturnalia The Settlers: New Allies Shoulders of Giants Sins of a Solar Empire II Space Punks Star Trek: Resurgence Tchia The Crew Motorfest The Expanse: A Telltale Series Tortuga - A Pirate’s Tale Touch Type Tale Witchfire The Wolf Among Us 2 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago I don't know about any of the others, but at least Rocket League and Fall Guys are great examples here. Both games already existed and were extremely successful on Steam. Both games got bought by Epic and we were told they were going to get continued support. Both games were then REMOVED from Steam. Both games then started suddenly having objectively worse monetization. Both communities grew a pretty negative opinion of the changes. Both games are objectively less popular now, though at least some of this is just age/fads. But both games are just objectively in a worse spot than they were before. All Epic did was make them objectively worse. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) This list is just another argument against epic... artificial exclusives. For a FUCKING LAUNCHER. Even fucking Playstation, EA and Ubisoft opened up. Fuck Epic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fucking Playstation is not better than Epic with handling exclusives lmfao come on now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are literally releasing their games on another platform that actually requires them to put money into the project again to develop a port. So yeah, even PS atm is better than Epic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So Playstation releasing some of their games literally years later as often sub-par ports is better than being able to play a game day 1 native on PC? I'd love to hear to the logic for that lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's better than keeping them artificially locked behind a launcher for no reason whatsoever, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just let me get that straight. You also don't like exclusives and want ppl to be able to play the way they want. ...and somehow Playstation - actively releasing their games on PC, investing time, money & effort - are worse than Epic who just want to lure ppl to their store/launcher and actively taking away the choice of playing method? Alrighty then... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic also releases their games on PC lol And they release them day 1, without the multiple year wait from console release, and not as shitty ports. Fuck yes that's better than PlayStation, it's a no-brainer. I'm truly baffled that anyone could have this take seriously. PC =/= Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent [–] panchzila@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago They bought fall guys and removed the possibility of buying it on steam. And timed exclusives like borderlands 3. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OrgunDonor@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Battle Breakers This is a bad example to put down, can't find that on the epic store either. https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/epic-is-turning-off-online-services-and-servers-for-some-older-games permalink fedilink source parent [+] Carighan@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago Okay, fair, there are some exclusives. But reading through these, wow, nothing of value is lost. Most importantly because for the newest ones like AW2, they're just on a 1 year Early Access release in a lot of ways. Every time someone I know bought a game there, I was grateful they did the paid (as in, they pay, not get paid) bug testing work for the poor devs. And then once it releases on other stores, you can buy a somewhat patched-up version, and usually for 25%-50% off. permalink fedilink source parent [+] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 1 point 2 years ago [deleted] permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Zorque@kbin.social 94 points 2 years ago (2 children) They literally pay for exclusivity. It's weird that people seem to selectively ignore that every time someone brings up their desire to get free games from them. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 4 child comments replies: [–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is the main reason why I never made an account, despite the free games. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maestro@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic still has to pay the developers even if they give away the game for free. I'm happy to help bleed Epic dry by taking their free games. But I will never ever spend a single cent on their platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Same If I buy a game it will be either directly from the maker or Steam. Epic strictly for the free games. permalink fedilink source parent [–] highsight@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) I mean, I get why people hate this, but some games would literally not exist if not for that exclusivity funding. For example, the newly released Alan Wake 2 is completely funded by Epic. I'd say at that point, the exclusivity is fair game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] micka190@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago After Control's success, I'd imagine AW2 still would've been made even without Epic's exclusivity/publishing deal. If anything, Control's timed EGS exclusivity hurt their numbers until they eventually hit Steam. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cottonmon@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago Epic funding games development was only a recent thing. For the most part, they were buying exclusivity for games that were already set to be released or were already in active development. The other reason why this was hated was because they bought exclusivity for games that were crowd-funded back when the store was newly opened. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CMDR_Horn@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago Epic funding games just makes them a publisher, nothing groundbreaking. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] refurbishedrefurbisher@lemmy.sdf.org 27 points 2 years ago (1 child) This is the main reason why I never made an account, despite the free games. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Maestro@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic still has to pay the developers even if they give away the game for free. I'm happy to help bleed Epic dry by taking their free games. But I will never ever spend a single cent on their platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Same If I buy a game it will be either directly from the maker or Steam. Epic strictly for the free games. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Maestro@kbin.social 7 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic still has to pay the developers even if they give away the game for free. I'm happy to help bleed Epic dry by taking their free games. But I will never ever spend a single cent on their platform. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Same If I buy a game it will be either directly from the maker or Steam. Epic strictly for the free games. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago Same If I buy a game it will be either directly from the maker or Steam. Epic strictly for the free games. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] highsight@programming.dev 1 point 2 years ago (3 children) I mean, I get why people hate this, but some games would literally not exist if not for that exclusivity funding. For example, the newly released Alan Wake 2 is completely funded by Epic. I'd say at that point, the exclusivity is fair game. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 6 child comments replies: [–] micka190@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago After Control's success, I'd imagine AW2 still would've been made even without Epic's exclusivity/publishing deal. If anything, Control's timed EGS exclusivity hurt their numbers until they eventually hit Steam. permalink fedilink source parent [–] cottonmon@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago Epic funding games development was only a recent thing. For the most part, they were buying exclusivity for games that were already set to be released or were already in active development. The other reason why this was hated was because they bought exclusivity for games that were crowd-funded back when the store was newly opened. permalink fedilink source parent [–] CMDR_Horn@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago Epic funding games just makes them a publisher, nothing groundbreaking. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] micka190@lemmy.world 26 points 2 years ago After Control's success, I'd imagine AW2 still would've been made even without Epic's exclusivity/publishing deal. If anything, Control's timed EGS exclusivity hurt their numbers until they eventually hit Steam. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] cottonmon@lemmy.world 25 points 2 years ago Epic funding games development was only a recent thing. For the most part, they were buying exclusivity for games that were already set to be released or were already in active development. The other reason why this was hated was because they bought exclusivity for games that were crowd-funded back when the store was newly opened. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] CMDR_Horn@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 years ago Epic funding games just makes them a publisher, nothing groundbreaking. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] MeekerThanBeaker@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago (1 child) I have not bought a single game from their store. I have over 300. I also haven't played any of the games I got for free. Maybe one day I will, but today is not that day. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I started playing a few and they play well and so far are fun. Have had no issues with the platform. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Fredselfish@lemmy.world 1 point 2 years ago I started playing a few and they play well and so far are fun. Have had no issues with the platform. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Davel23@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) every game on their [sic] I can find on Steam Oh yeah? Find these: 3 out of 10 A Knight's Quest Alan Wake Remastered Alan Wake 2 Assassin's Creed Mirage Battle Breakers Binary Smoke Castle Storm 2 Core Corruption 2029 Crime Boss: Rockay City Dangerous Driving Dauntless Dead Island 2 Diabotical Ghostbusters: Spirits Unleashed Goat Simulator 3 Grit Infinitesimals John Carpenter's Toxic Commando Kid A Mnesia Exhibition Kingdom Hearts series The Lord of the Rings: Return to Moria Ooblets PC Building Simulator 2 ReadySet Heroes Rocket League RollerCoaster Tycoon Adventures Salt and Sacrifice Saturnalia The Settlers: New Allies Shoulders of Giants Sins of a Solar Empire II Space Punks Star Trek: Resurgence Tchia The Crew Motorfest The Expanse: A Telltale Series Tortuga - A Pirate’s Tale Touch Type Tale Witchfire The Wolf Among Us 2 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago I don't know about any of the others, but at least Rocket League and Fall Guys are great examples here. Both games already existed and were extremely successful on Steam. Both games got bought by Epic and we were told they were going to get continued support. Both games were then REMOVED from Steam. Both games then started suddenly having objectively worse monetization. Both communities grew a pretty negative opinion of the changes. Both games are objectively less popular now, though at least some of this is just age/fads. But both games are just objectively in a worse spot than they were before. All Epic did was make them objectively worse. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) This list is just another argument against epic... artificial exclusives. For a FUCKING LAUNCHER. Even fucking Playstation, EA and Ubisoft opened up. Fuck Epic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fucking Playstation is not better than Epic with handling exclusives lmfao come on now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are literally releasing their games on another platform that actually requires them to put money into the project again to develop a port. So yeah, even PS atm is better than Epic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So Playstation releasing some of their games literally years later as often sub-par ports is better than being able to play a game day 1 native on PC? I'd love to hear to the logic for that lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's better than keeping them artificially locked behind a launcher for no reason whatsoever, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just let me get that straight. You also don't like exclusives and want ppl to be able to play the way they want. ...and somehow Playstation - actively releasing their games on PC, investing time, money & effort - are worse than Epic who just want to lure ppl to their store/launcher and actively taking away the choice of playing method? Alrighty then... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic also releases their games on PC lol And they release them day 1, without the multiple year wait from console release, and not as shitty ports. Fuck yes that's better than PlayStation, it's a no-brainer. I'm truly baffled that anyone could have this take seriously. PC =/= Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent [–] panchzila@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago They bought fall guys and removed the possibility of buying it on steam. And timed exclusives like borderlands 3. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OrgunDonor@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Battle Breakers This is a bad example to put down, can't find that on the epic store either. https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/epic-is-turning-off-online-services-and-servers-for-some-older-games permalink fedilink source parent [+] Carighan@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago Okay, fair, there are some exclusives. But reading through these, wow, nothing of value is lost. Most importantly because for the newest ones like AW2, they're just on a 1 year Early Access release in a lot of ways. Every time someone I know bought a game there, I was grateful they did the paid (as in, they pay, not get paid) bug testing work for the poor devs. And then once it releases on other stores, you can buy a somewhat patched-up version, and usually for 25%-50% off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago I don't know about any of the others, but at least Rocket League and Fall Guys are great examples here. Both games already existed and were extremely successful on Steam. Both games got bought by Epic and we were told they were going to get continued support. Both games were then REMOVED from Steam. Both games then started suddenly having objectively worse monetization. Both communities grew a pretty negative opinion of the changes. Both games are objectively less popular now, though at least some of this is just age/fads. But both games are just objectively in a worse spot than they were before. All Epic did was make them objectively worse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mayTay@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) This list is just another argument against epic... artificial exclusives. For a FUCKING LAUNCHER. Even fucking Playstation, EA and Ubisoft opened up. Fuck Epic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fucking Playstation is not better than Epic with handling exclusives lmfao come on now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are literally releasing their games on another platform that actually requires them to put money into the project again to develop a port. So yeah, even PS atm is better than Epic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So Playstation releasing some of their games literally years later as often sub-par ports is better than being able to play a game day 1 native on PC? I'd love to hear to the logic for that lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's better than keeping them artificially locked behind a launcher for no reason whatsoever, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just let me get that straight. You also don't like exclusives and want ppl to be able to play the way they want. ...and somehow Playstation - actively releasing their games on PC, investing time, money & effort - are worse than Epic who just want to lure ppl to their store/launcher and actively taking away the choice of playing method? Alrighty then... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic also releases their games on PC lol And they release them day 1, without the multiple year wait from console release, and not as shitty ports. Fuck yes that's better than PlayStation, it's a no-brainer. I'm truly baffled that anyone could have this take seriously. PC =/= Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fucking Playstation is not better than Epic with handling exclusives lmfao come on now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are literally releasing their games on another platform that actually requires them to put money into the project again to develop a port. So yeah, even PS atm is better than Epic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So Playstation releasing some of their games literally years later as often sub-par ports is better than being able to play a game day 1 native on PC? I'd love to hear to the logic for that lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's better than keeping them artificially locked behind a launcher for no reason whatsoever, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just let me get that straight. You also don't like exclusives and want ppl to be able to play the way they want. ...and somehow Playstation - actively releasing their games on PC, investing time, money & effort - are worse than Epic who just want to lure ppl to their store/launcher and actively taking away the choice of playing method? Alrighty then... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic also releases their games on PC lol And they release them day 1, without the multiple year wait from console release, and not as shitty ports. Fuck yes that's better than PlayStation, it's a no-brainer. I'm truly baffled that anyone could have this take seriously. PC =/= Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are literally releasing their games on another platform that actually requires them to put money into the project again to develop a port. So yeah, even PS atm is better than Epic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So Playstation releasing some of their games literally years later as often sub-par ports is better than being able to play a game day 1 native on PC? I'd love to hear to the logic for that lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's better than keeping them artificially locked behind a launcher for no reason whatsoever, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just let me get that straight. You also don't like exclusives and want ppl to be able to play the way they want. ...and somehow Playstation - actively releasing their games on PC, investing time, money & effort - are worse than Epic who just want to lure ppl to their store/launcher and actively taking away the choice of playing method? Alrighty then... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic also releases their games on PC lol And they release them day 1, without the multiple year wait from console release, and not as shitty ports. Fuck yes that's better than PlayStation, it's a no-brainer. I'm truly baffled that anyone could have this take seriously. PC =/= Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So Playstation releasing some of their games literally years later as often sub-par ports is better than being able to play a game day 1 native on PC? I'd love to hear to the logic for that lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's better than keeping them artificially locked behind a launcher for no reason whatsoever, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just let me get that straight. You also don't like exclusives and want ppl to be able to play the way they want. ...and somehow Playstation - actively releasing their games on PC, investing time, money & effort - are worse than Epic who just want to lure ppl to their store/launcher and actively taking away the choice of playing method? Alrighty then... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic also releases their games on PC lol And they release them day 1, without the multiple year wait from console release, and not as shitty ports. Fuck yes that's better than PlayStation, it's a no-brainer. I'm truly baffled that anyone could have this take seriously. PC =/= Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's better than keeping them artificially locked behind a launcher for no reason whatsoever, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just let me get that straight. You also don't like exclusives and want ppl to be able to play the way they want. ...and somehow Playstation - actively releasing their games on PC, investing time, money & effort - are worse than Epic who just want to lure ppl to their store/launcher and actively taking away the choice of playing method? Alrighty then... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic also releases their games on PC lol And they release them day 1, without the multiple year wait from console release, and not as shitty ports. Fuck yes that's better than PlayStation, it's a no-brainer. I'm truly baffled that anyone could have this take seriously. PC =/= Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just let me get that straight. You also don't like exclusives and want ppl to be able to play the way they want. ...and somehow Playstation - actively releasing their games on PC, investing time, money & effort - are worse than Epic who just want to lure ppl to their store/launcher and actively taking away the choice of playing method? Alrighty then... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic also releases their games on PC lol And they release them day 1, without the multiple year wait from console release, and not as shitty ports. Fuck yes that's better than PlayStation, it's a no-brainer. I'm truly baffled that anyone could have this take seriously. PC =/= Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mayTay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just let me get that straight. You also don't like exclusives and want ppl to be able to play the way they want. ...and somehow Playstation - actively releasing their games on PC, investing time, money & effort - are worse than Epic who just want to lure ppl to their store/launcher and actively taking away the choice of playing method? Alrighty then... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic also releases their games on PC lol And they release them day 1, without the multiple year wait from console release, and not as shitty ports. Fuck yes that's better than PlayStation, it's a no-brainer. I'm truly baffled that anyone could have this take seriously. PC =/= Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic also releases their games on PC lol And they release them day 1, without the multiple year wait from console release, and not as shitty ports. Fuck yes that's better than PlayStation, it's a no-brainer. I'm truly baffled that anyone could have this take seriously. PC =/= Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] panchzila@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago They bought fall guys and removed the possibility of buying it on steam. And timed exclusives like borderlands 3. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OrgunDonor@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Battle Breakers This is a bad example to put down, can't find that on the epic store either. https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/epic-is-turning-off-online-services-and-servers-for-some-older-games permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Carighan@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago Okay, fair, there are some exclusives. But reading through these, wow, nothing of value is lost. Most importantly because for the newest ones like AW2, they're just on a 1 year Early Access release in a lot of ways. Every time someone I know bought a game there, I was grateful they did the paid (as in, they pay, not get paid) bug testing work for the poor devs. And then once it releases on other stores, you can buy a somewhat patched-up version, and usually for 25%-50% off. permalink fedilink source parent