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[–] Davel23@kbin.social 5 points 2 years ago (5 children) every game on their [sic] I can find on Steam Oh yeah? Find these: 3 out of 10 A Knight's Quest Alan Wake Remastered Alan Wake 2 Assassin's Creed Mirage Battle Breakers Binary Smoke Castle Storm 2 Core Corruption 2029 Crime Boss: Rockay City Dangerous Driving Dauntless Dead Island 2 Diabotical Ghostbusters: Spirits Unleashed Goat Simulator 3 Grit Infinitesimals John Carpenter's Toxic Commando Kid A Mnesia Exhibition Kingdom Hearts series The Lord of the Rings: Return to Moria Ooblets PC Building Simulator 2 ReadySet Heroes Rocket League RollerCoaster Tycoon Adventures Salt and Sacrifice Saturnalia The Settlers: New Allies Shoulders of Giants Sins of a Solar Empire II Space Punks Star Trek: Resurgence Tchia The Crew Motorfest The Expanse: A Telltale Series Tortuga - A Pirate’s Tale Touch Type Tale Witchfire The Wolf Among Us 2 permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 10 child comments replies: [–] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago I don't know about any of the others, but at least Rocket League and Fall Guys are great examples here. Both games already existed and were extremely successful on Steam. Both games got bought by Epic and we were told they were going to get continued support. Both games were then REMOVED from Steam. Both games then started suddenly having objectively worse monetization. Both communities grew a pretty negative opinion of the changes. Both games are objectively less popular now, though at least some of this is just age/fads. But both games are just objectively in a worse spot than they were before. All Epic did was make them objectively worse. permalink fedilink source parent [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) This list is just another argument against epic... artificial exclusives. For a FUCKING LAUNCHER. Even fucking Playstation, EA and Ubisoft opened up. Fuck Epic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fucking Playstation is not better than Epic with handling exclusives lmfao come on now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are literally releasing their games on another platform that actually requires them to put money into the project again to develop a port. So yeah, even PS atm is better than Epic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So Playstation releasing some of their games literally years later as often sub-par ports is better than being able to play a game day 1 native on PC? I'd love to hear to the logic for that lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's better than keeping them artificially locked behind a launcher for no reason whatsoever, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just let me get that straight. You also don't like exclusives and want ppl to be able to play the way they want. ...and somehow Playstation - actively releasing their games on PC, investing time, money & effort - are worse than Epic who just want to lure ppl to their store/launcher and actively taking away the choice of playing method? Alrighty then... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic also releases their games on PC lol And they release them day 1, without the multiple year wait from console release, and not as shitty ports. Fuck yes that's better than PlayStation, it's a no-brainer. I'm truly baffled that anyone could have this take seriously. PC =/= Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent [–] panchzila@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago They bought fall guys and removed the possibility of buying it on steam. And timed exclusives like borderlands 3. permalink fedilink source parent [–] OrgunDonor@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Battle Breakers This is a bad example to put down, can't find that on the epic store either. https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/epic-is-turning-off-online-services-and-servers-for-some-older-games permalink fedilink source parent [+] Carighan@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago Okay, fair, there are some exclusives. But reading through these, wow, nothing of value is lost. Most importantly because for the newest ones like AW2, they're just on a 1 year Early Access release in a lot of ways. Every time someone I know bought a game there, I was grateful they did the paid (as in, they pay, not get paid) bug testing work for the poor devs. And then once it releases on other stores, you can buy a somewhat patched-up version, and usually for 25%-50% off. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] Ottomateeverything@lemmy.world 53 points 2 years ago I don't know about any of the others, but at least Rocket League and Fall Guys are great examples here. Both games already existed and were extremely successful on Steam. Both games got bought by Epic and we were told they were going to get continued support. Both games were then REMOVED from Steam. Both games then started suddenly having objectively worse monetization. Both communities grew a pretty negative opinion of the changes. Both games are objectively less popular now, though at least some of this is just age/fads. But both games are just objectively in a worse spot than they were before. All Epic did was make them objectively worse. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mayTay@lemmy.world 29 points 2 years ago (1 child) This list is just another argument against epic... artificial exclusives. For a FUCKING LAUNCHER. Even fucking Playstation, EA and Ubisoft opened up. Fuck Epic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fucking Playstation is not better than Epic with handling exclusives lmfao come on now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are literally releasing their games on another platform that actually requires them to put money into the project again to develop a port. So yeah, even PS atm is better than Epic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So Playstation releasing some of their games literally years later as often sub-par ports is better than being able to play a game day 1 native on PC? I'd love to hear to the logic for that lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's better than keeping them artificially locked behind a launcher for no reason whatsoever, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just let me get that straight. You also don't like exclusives and want ppl to be able to play the way they want. ...and somehow Playstation - actively releasing their games on PC, investing time, money & effort - are worse than Epic who just want to lure ppl to their store/launcher and actively taking away the choice of playing method? Alrighty then... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic also releases their games on PC lol And they release them day 1, without the multiple year wait from console release, and not as shitty ports. Fuck yes that's better than PlayStation, it's a no-brainer. I'm truly baffled that anyone could have this take seriously. PC =/= Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -4 points 2 years ago (1 child) Fucking Playstation is not better than Epic with handling exclusives lmfao come on now permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are literally releasing their games on another platform that actually requires them to put money into the project again to develop a port. So yeah, even PS atm is better than Epic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So Playstation releasing some of their games literally years later as often sub-par ports is better than being able to play a game day 1 native on PC? I'd love to hear to the logic for that lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's better than keeping them artificially locked behind a launcher for no reason whatsoever, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just let me get that straight. You also don't like exclusives and want ppl to be able to play the way they want. ...and somehow Playstation - actively releasing their games on PC, investing time, money & effort - are worse than Epic who just want to lure ppl to their store/launcher and actively taking away the choice of playing method? Alrighty then... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic also releases their games on PC lol And they release them day 1, without the multiple year wait from console release, and not as shitty ports. Fuck yes that's better than PlayStation, it's a no-brainer. I'm truly baffled that anyone could have this take seriously. PC =/= Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) They are literally releasing their games on another platform that actually requires them to put money into the project again to develop a port. So yeah, even PS atm is better than Epic. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So Playstation releasing some of their games literally years later as often sub-par ports is better than being able to play a game day 1 native on PC? I'd love to hear to the logic for that lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's better than keeping them artificially locked behind a launcher for no reason whatsoever, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just let me get that straight. You also don't like exclusives and want ppl to be able to play the way they want. ...and somehow Playstation - actively releasing their games on PC, investing time, money & effort - are worse than Epic who just want to lure ppl to their store/launcher and actively taking away the choice of playing method? Alrighty then... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic also releases their games on PC lol And they release them day 1, without the multiple year wait from console release, and not as shitty ports. Fuck yes that's better than PlayStation, it's a no-brainer. I'm truly baffled that anyone could have this take seriously. PC =/= Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So Playstation releasing some of their games literally years later as often sub-par ports is better than being able to play a game day 1 native on PC? I'd love to hear to the logic for that lol permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's better than keeping them artificially locked behind a launcher for no reason whatsoever, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just let me get that straight. You also don't like exclusives and want ppl to be able to play the way they want. ...and somehow Playstation - actively releasing their games on PC, investing time, money & effort - are worse than Epic who just want to lure ppl to their store/launcher and actively taking away the choice of playing method? Alrighty then... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic also releases their games on PC lol And they release them day 1, without the multiple year wait from console release, and not as shitty ports. Fuck yes that's better than PlayStation, it's a no-brainer. I'm truly baffled that anyone could have this take seriously. PC =/= Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mayTay@lemmy.world 4 points 2 years ago (1 child) It's better than keeping them artificially locked behind a launcher for no reason whatsoever, yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just let me get that straight. You also don't like exclusives and want ppl to be able to play the way they want. ...and somehow Playstation - actively releasing their games on PC, investing time, money & effort - are worse than Epic who just want to lure ppl to their store/launcher and actively taking away the choice of playing method? Alrighty then... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic also releases their games on PC lol And they release them day 1, without the multiple year wait from console release, and not as shitty ports. Fuck yes that's better than PlayStation, it's a no-brainer. I'm truly baffled that anyone could have this take seriously. PC =/= Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -3 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just let me get that straight. You also don't like exclusives and want ppl to be able to play the way they want. ...and somehow Playstation - actively releasing their games on PC, investing time, money & effort - are worse than Epic who just want to lure ppl to their store/launcher and actively taking away the choice of playing method? Alrighty then... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic also releases their games on PC lol And they release them day 1, without the multiple year wait from console release, and not as shitty ports. Fuck yes that's better than PlayStation, it's a no-brainer. I'm truly baffled that anyone could have this take seriously. PC =/= Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mayTay@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (1 child) So just let me get that straight. You also don't like exclusives and want ppl to be able to play the way they want. ...and somehow Playstation - actively releasing their games on PC, investing time, money & effort - are worse than Epic who just want to lure ppl to their store/launcher and actively taking away the choice of playing method? Alrighty then... permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic also releases their games on PC lol And they release them day 1, without the multiple year wait from console release, and not as shitty ports. Fuck yes that's better than PlayStation, it's a no-brainer. I'm truly baffled that anyone could have this take seriously. PC =/= Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Epic also releases their games on PC lol And they release them day 1, without the multiple year wait from console release, and not as shitty ports. Fuck yes that's better than PlayStation, it's a no-brainer. I'm truly baffled that anyone could have this take seriously. PC =/= Steam. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mayTay@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Wow... Seriously? No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc. If you're talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be, we can just pray they fail hard and this practice doesn't become the norm (again) permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) No they release it for their launcher exclusively not for pc So anything that only releases on Steam is also an exclusive and "not for pc"? If you’re talking platforms Sony is WAY MORE OPEN than Epic ever will be Because Epic Games Launcher is only PC? Then Sony is also better than any company that releases only on Steam for PC? permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago* (1 child) Yes. If it's paid to ONLY be on Steam. If we follow your "logic" yes. permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] WldFyre@lemm.ee -2 points 2 years ago (1 child) Lmao permalink fedilink source parent hideshow 2 child comments replies: [–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] mayTay@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago Okay I'll give up after that one. Sony & Xbox once used to have exclusives for their platforms. Xbox opened up completely and releases everything to PC as well. Sony opened up later and now brings their games to PC as well. Sometimes a year later, sometimes a month. So they're multi Plattform now and you can choose where and how to play it. EA and Ubisoft decided to open up their LAUNCHERS and give you the choice where to buy& play - it's not completely open, because often you'll still need their browsers but it's a step in the right direction. So the trend seems to be to open up more to reach more people and sell more games that way. EPIC on the other hand is completely closed, buying exclusives for their launcher or for a certain time. It's a shitty approach to force people to their store and they still aren't profitable - that's the only good thing about epic proofing that this approach doesn't work anymore. Are Sony/Xbox/EA/Ubisoft perfect? No. - but they all get that being more open is the way to go. They don't do it because they're nice or want us to be happy with games - They do it because it's profitable, but coincidentally that's a good trend that's worthy of support. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] panchzila@lemmy.world 19 points 2 years ago They bought fall guys and removed the possibility of buying it on steam. And timed exclusives like borderlands 3. permalink fedilink source parent
[–] OrgunDonor@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago Battle Breakers This is a bad example to put down, can't find that on the epic store either. https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/epic-is-turning-off-online-services-and-servers-for-some-older-games permalink fedilink source parent
[+] Carighan@lemmy.world -10 points 2 years ago Okay, fair, there are some exclusives. But reading through these, wow, nothing of value is lost. Most importantly because for the newest ones like AW2, they're just on a 1 year Early Access release in a lot of ways. Every time someone I know bought a game there, I was grateful they did the paid (as in, they pay, not get paid) bug testing work for the poor devs. And then once it releases on other stores, you can buy a somewhat patched-up version, and usually for 25%-50% off. permalink fedilink source parent