You said it well. The thing that got overlooked a lot there by the masses was "community." A huge amount of the people had an obsession of living in the woods "off the land" with the help of no one. That's just absurd to me. Humans have evolved by working together, as a team, as a family or community that watches and scratches each others backs. A collective or a commune would be infinitely more effective if somehow the power grid got knocked out for a long time or forever. There is no way one person can both farm the land, hunt, gather, build shelters, tend to animals-- just you name it. Also if you got sick or hurt, you're dead if you can't work anymore, you need extra hands. Also it will mentally destroy you if you have no one to speak to for a long time.

I know a lot of the old contributors left too within the last 5 years. The sub use to talk about the economy a lot and wasn't tainted by libs and ancaps coming in talking about the fucking gold standard or talking about buttcoins and shit. I should have left sooner but idk, sometimes I'm morbidly curious about things-- but leaving that sub and never looking at it again has helped me tremendously not lay awake at night and think ab out the dozen of articles I had read earlier in the day about eco-collapse or food shortages in Yemen or some other place. A lot of those people don't see a future-- they have no hope. And that isn't healthy, humans have to have a shred of hope to maintain some drive to keep existing. Perseverance is rather easy if you let yourself believe things can get better. Or at least help the people around you to do some good.

Sorry this such huge rants, it's a topic I took far too seriously and studied and thought about far too much. So i've been busting at the seams to talk about it ever since I left. It's not something I can talk about in person and I'm certainty not going back to that sub